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Originally posted by Murgatroid
Originally posted by SpearMint
Wrong, sins do not exist in Atheism. I know it's counter-intuitive to a religious person, but try to use logic when replying to me.
2) Atheism IS a religion
Originally posted by Thought Provoker
reply to post by SpearMint
You're absolutely right. If it is the truth that there is no God, then there is no sin either. Neither is there any hope for anyone after death. You just wink out. But if there is a God, you'd be sacrificing eternal happiness just so you can be right. I've never understood why atheists choose to believe there's no hope, no God, no salvation, no afterlife. Wouldn't you truly (and logically) rather have something to look forward to than a void of non-existence?
Originally posted by SpearMint
Whoa there, no it isn't. It is the belief that there is no god. It is in no way a religion.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Originally posted by SpearMint
Whoa there, no it isn't. It is the belief that there is no god. It is in no way a religion.
The entire agenda and purpose behind false religion is to keep the truth HIDDEN.
Atheism and religion are NO different, BOTH are part of the SAME agenda.
Both are nothing more than stealth mind control tools.
Atheism is just another fundamentalist Illuminati mind control Religion with a stealth agenda.
Originally posted by Thought Provoker
reply to post by Murgatroid
Fabulous video... but one must believe their life consists of more than the red tape before one will begin to think about their post-Earth existence. There's gonna be a whole lotta really surprised people, come Judgement Day...
Originally posted by jiggerj
If a human commits a crime, and has a conscience, then he will regret that crime. If a human commits a crime, but doesn't have a conscience, then he-
...will not regret it. These humans may put on a good show of begging forgiveness, but it's only to reduce the suffering they may experience from their punishment.
Humans cannot change the chemical make-up of their brain. The bible is asking of us what simply cannot be achieved. To order us to be more than human is no different than ordering a lion to be a sheep - impossible.
Originally posted by SpearMint
Sin is just a tactic religions use to control people through fear and/or guilt. Simple.edit on 1-1-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by Thought Provoker
reply to post by Murgatroid
Fabulous video... but one must believe their life consists of more than the red tape before one will begin to think about their post-Earth existence. There's gonna be a whole lotta really surprised people, come Judgement Day...
If a human commits a crime, and has a conscience, then he will regret that crime. If a human commits a crime, but doesn't have a conscience, then he will not regret it. These humans may put on a good show of begging forgiveness, but it's only to reduce the suffering they may experience from their punishment. Humans cannot change the chemical make-up of their brain. The bible is asking of us what simply cannot be achieved. To order us to be more than human is no different than ordering a lion to be a sheep - impossible.
If I don't believe in Santa, am I part of a religious group for that lack of belief? That doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
2) Atheism IS a religion
Which in this case makes YOU the religious person...
And this all makes sense to you? Someone without sin had to shed their blood and die for us so that this "almighty" god could have the power to forgive us? Shedding blood = forgiveness of wrong doings? Why? He set that rule up....why? It wasn't enough for someone to ask for forgiveness from the heart? Someone had to die (and of course come back to life to live in heaven for all eternity)?
Originally posted by 1PLA1
This is what God understood. That is why He sent His Son to atone for our sins.
The Bible is asking us to strive to be good. If you read the Bible you see many people who sinned but were forgiven. Their faith was their salvation not their good works.
I was told to look at another person who was in the fire. I saw a man with very long hair wrapped on the left hand side of his head. He was also wearing a robe. I asked the king of hell, "Who is this man?" He replied, "This is the one you worship: Gautama [Buddha]." I was very disturbed to see Gautama in hell. I protested, "Gautama had good ethnics and good moral character, why is he suffering in this lake of fire?" The king of hell answered me, "It doesn't matter how good he was. He is in this place because he did not believe in the Eternal God."
MONK SEES BUDDHA IN HELL AND LIVES TO TELL
This is true. And it's why Christ made himself available to us: to save us from our own human natures. We cannot achieve perfection; that is indeed impossible. So instead, we have repentance, which gains us forgiveness,
Originally posted by 1PLA1
Originally posted by SpearMint
Sin is just a tactic religions use to control people through fear and/or guilt. Simple.edit on 1-1-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
Really? So committing murder isn't really a sin. We just call it that to control people? And stealing isn't really a sin? Lieing to get an innocent person in trouble isn't a sin?
Perhaps if people had self-control there would be no need for methods to "control" but, since self-control is too hard, we as flawed human beings need rules to live by. You break the rules, you pay the consequences in this life or the next.
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
To discover what sin is, read the Law in the Books of Moses. To discover why it is sin, remember that God is the creator, and He created His creatures to a design, a plan and a purpose. We could (and will!) define SIN as any deviation from God's design, plan, or purpose which tends to defeat that design, plan or purpose. Any actions which are contrary to the fulfillment of our reason for being here are sins.
Consider the way God designed us to reproduce: sex. He blessed and initiated the man-woman relationship known as marriage, by which we multiply and replenish the earth with more of ourselves. Homosexuality defeats this design, plan and purpose, therefore it is a sin. Even if you feel good and guiltless about it, it is a sin. Even if it is legal, it is a sin. I could mention many more examples such as murder, stealing, lies, etc. God expects us to behave according to His standards, and if we do not, we are sinners.
reply to post by windword
Why are we here and what is our purpose? What about our free will?
Originally posted by TheCanuckian
If I teach stealing is the way to make others realize their possessions are not for them, but for the strong, the child will learn, adapt and act this way throughout their life. Prove that wrong and you will prove to me that your version of Sin is correct.
So if the world were raised to be killers, murderers, etc.. and all of us were taught these were good, it's safe to say we would be in the dark ages explaining why God allows us to do those evil things and why it's good.
The thing about humans is we adapt pretty quickly to our environment and if something is told to us over and over enough times our version of sin changes. It's proven in history. Hanging people was OK and acceptable to many in the early 1700's and even earlier then that. In the 21st century it is considered archaic and immoral. Even the Priests of the time agreed with hangings and killings of the unholy, but today they hold all life in high regard and will even protect the sinners.
If God himself wanted us to be good he would have been more directly involved, but it seems he does not care one way or another. Just look at this world. We are left to our own devices, our own version of sin. That to me does not prove God wants us to be Good, it proves he wants us to experience, that's about it. Everything else is your own assumptions and nurturing.
I refuse to believe our freedom of choice was given to us just to refrain from using it... even the devout believers of God sin, and sometimes sin worse then the average joe.
The God theory is an interesting one because we humans want to believe there is a higher power then our feeble selves. Fact is though we will never see that power and if you do, your dead.