curiousrb, you keep talking about the money motivator..
Without money we would no longer have people who hate their jobs. We would still need therapists, counselors, architects, engineers of all types,
scientists, etc. I was very clear in stating that these are the jobs that could NOT be automated. Typically people in these types of careers get
involved in this work because they have a passion for it - very few are driven at all by the monetary rewards.
The RSA Animate clip I included in my previous post talks about a study in which economists learned that once you get above rudimentary skill,
monetary incentives do not work. This was a study funded by the FRB. In fact, when you take the issue of money off the table people with jobs that
require a high level of cognitive skill perform much better. I highly recommend you review the video.
I believe I was very clear when I said that only rudimentary, menial jobs could be automated - there will still be plenty of people with a passion for
their field to fill the more more conceptual, creative jobs. Not only would more people be able to receive an education to work in a field they were
passionate about, but the "bag eggs" would be naturally phased out of those fields by the people who loved what they did. We would have higher
quality engineers, architects, teachers, scientist, etc.
You continue to mention resource allocation and a "complex economy." Remember, for a world to work without money we would have had to reach a level
of cooperation we have yet to achieve. There would no longer be a reason for competitiveness in economics, competition or a reason to grab as many
resources as you can and horde them. We would also no longer have any reason for "Planned
" and products would be engineered to last as long as they possible could. This would drastically waste and the need for more and
Many would find prosperity and efficiency more desirable than a dawdling society and money serves an incredibly important role in a complex economy.
Again, I think I have successfully argued that taking away the issue of money actually makes creative people do BETTER work. This includes, artists,
scientists, engineers, software developers, musicians, architects, doctors, furniture makers, etc. Getting rid of money wouldn't create a
"dawdling" society, but rather a society full of driven, passionate, and highly capable people.
You talk about oil rich nations, but did you ever consider that if we had no monetary system we might have already evolved past burning fossil fuels?
It's no secret that the oil industry has continued to reign in part because they use their money and power to lobby governments AGAINST funding
renewable sources of energy?
The subject of this debate is "Society would function better without a monetary system." Whether or not you believe that it's possible to get
there, it is fairly safe to say the following:
- Cities would be engineered to be as efficient as possibly.
- Far fewer people would be forced into crime to survive.
- Education would be freely available, thus creating a highly skilled, very intelligent population.
- The poor would cease to exist. Everyone would have equal opportunities and even if some people chose to just dream their life away, plenty of people
would follow what they were passionate about.
- Products would be made to last, which would eliminate waste.
- Divisiveness would all but disappear, allowing mankind to focus on goals for all of humanity, instead of just goals for the individual.
- Private interests would no longer strong arm competing technologies out of the market.
- There would be a collective interest in health, the environment, and global security.
We only want to have a better car, or a nicer shirt, or a louder stereo than the next guy because we live in a self-gratifying, take the money and run
society. Without the profit motivator divisiveness and ability to own more than your neighbor, this spirit of rapacious competitiveness would fade
So the question that has been asked in this debate is this; Would a society function better with no monetary system? I believe the answer is a
resounding YES. We are an ingenuitive and passionate species. We have the technology and ability to find better solutions for moving around goods and
services than turning the entire world into wage slaves. Until society learns to focus outward, instead of inward, we are destined to be divided,
oppressed and individualistic.
Perhaps humanity isn't ready yet for this type of equality, but we would most definitely function better without a monetary system.
How society might look with no money:
Thank you for the opportunity to debate this topic with you