FBI Documents Reveal Occupy Crackdowns WERE Coordinated, Assassinations Considered

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

Who is going to stand in front of a mic on live television to explain to the country that killing a college kid who spoke his/her views with suppressed sniper fire, was in the American peoples best interest?

plans are made with the intention of being used, or being useful. ever heard of "premeditated murder"?

the person answering questions would probably be the FBI, and they would have blamed it on right-wing extremists and then used it as another reason to ban guns.

i'm sorry, but you don't fool anyone.

I really don't think national defense planning can be considered premeditated murder, or even conspiracy to commit murder, which is what i think you were trying say.

America re-elected GWB to fight the war on terror. You gave the government the mandate to do just what it did. and now you complain.


too bad i couldn't fool you though. I was hoping to get my monthly internet disinformation agent bonus

Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

when they openly denounced capitalism and democracy. They might as well be on the Taliban's payroll.

When did they denounce democracy?

OWS was all about power to the people.

And just exactly how are socialists anything close to the Taliban? I'm a socialist and socialist ideals are directly opposite to the Taliban. You're very uneducated and probably some sort of shill.



Guess I'm a terrorist too

edit on 31-12-2012 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

Power to people without democracy is anarchy.

maybe you didn't get the memo, but anything undemocratic is terrorism. Anything anti-capitalism is terrorism. If your having trouble getting it, maybe call HLS and tell them your views and see what your rights are to exercise them.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

reply to post by FirstCasualty

I really don't think national defense planning can be considered premeditated murder, or even conspiracy to commit murder, which is what i think you were trying say. America re-elected GWB to fight the war on terror. You gave the government the mandate to do just what it did. and now you complain. too bad i couldn't fool you though. I was hoping to get my monthly internet disinformation agent bonus

oh, so that's what you're calling it? "national defense planning" it's very ironic that you chose to use "national defense" as a phrase to describe an assassination of nationals.

what would a planned murder be called? hmm...conspiracy to commit murder implies premeditation.

i didn't vote for the war criminal bush, nor did i support U.S. involvement in the middle east, i was and continue to be firmly against the patriot act, and the second version pushed through under obama.

notice folks how he went from firmly denying it ever happening, to blaming ME specifically for the government's actions. yes, you're very obvious.

reply to post by Tw0Sides


Someone needs to spend a little time reading the declaration of independence.

But that aside, if this is any evidence at all of how government views the people then I am more than justified in my concern for the tendency of government to become despotic.

reply to post by FirstCasualty


OWS was never anti democracy, so I have no clue what you're talking about.

Guess you never heard of democratic socialists....

Democratic socialism is a variant of socialism that rejects centralized, elitist, or authoritarian means of transitioning from capitalism to socialism but rather calls for the immediate creation of decentralized economic democracy from the grassroots level.

en.wikipedia.org...

Anything anti-capitalism is terrorism.

Then I'm a terrorist

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

You're the one ignorant of the law. There is no law saying that being a socialist is illegal. If you start planning terrorist attacks, that is when you become a terrorist. There is even a " democratic socialist" in the senate right now, Bernie Sanders.

Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is the junior United States Senator from Vermont. He previously represented Vermont's at-large district in the United States House of Representatives and served as Mayor of Burlington, the largest city in Vermont.

Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist,[2][3][4]and has praised European social democracy (though he has also criticized its contemporary "Third Way" departure). He is the first person elected to the U.S. Senate to identify as a socialist in six decades.

en.wikipedia.org...

Shines a whole new light on the "Cleveland 5", and their supposed plot to blow up a bridge in Cleveland, doesn't it? At least when one considers how 5 unemployed, poor 20 somethings managed (with the help of their FBI contact) to secure a lease on a large warehouse. Can we say "COINTELPRO"?

Wall Street oligarchs wanted Occupy branded a criminal/terrorist organization, and their lapdogs in the FBI dutifully obliged.

Unsolicited deadly force on a protestor is insane. It's a death warrant.

How many does the government do on people every year? Oh sure, it's classified, and the news prints the obligatory hoax in clandestine fashion.

Can you imagine going to a protest, thinking you're doing something patriotic with yourself, being successful, then one day you walk past some guy who happens to work at a research institute, and he takes off his jacket and drapes it over his left shoulder as you enter the local hotel, and then you hear a muffled pop and a sharp pain in your body? And you're thinking, what did I ever do wrong to deserve this? Who thought I deserved to die? What exactly do they think they are protecting by hurting me and not using the least-lethal methods first? Why did they break the law against me? Why didn't someone let me know before putting me in mortal danger?

It doesn't make sense. Where is that asterisk and disclaimer on the bottom of the pledge of allegiance that I did every day at school that says this is right? Or was it supposed to be a dollar sign, not an asterisk?

There is military logic behind the action. It hypocrites the freedom to protest though. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance I have for the beliefs in my country when I see the people who have deadly force rights above other rights. Sure if someone were carrying something like a dirty bomb, or an explosive vest, fine, but otherwise, it doesn't make sense to apply deadly force. I hope it was an extreme contingency plan. Not some bond movie he-looks-like-a-bad-guy so shoot him thing.

In the hardest politics, a rotten politician would sacrifice an agency to keep their lead, call it a necessary evil and obfuscate the evidence. And to think there is bribery and corruption in politics and law enforcement too... it's maddening.

Some screen shots from the documents;






www.justiceonline.org...

Originally posted by WaterBottle
Some screen shots from the documents;

www.justiceonline.org...

edit on 31-12-2012 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

It says I the document you posted that "an identified --------- planned to engage in sniper attacks against protestors...."

the it said " ---------- planned to gather intelligence - blah blah blah - kill the leadership...."

who is ----------- ????

Is the FBI writing a report on something within their own agency?

Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

OWS was never anti democracy, so I have no clue what you're talking about.

Guess you never heard of democratic socialists....

Democratic socialism is a variant of socialism that rejects centralized, elitist, or authoritarian means of transitioning from capitalism to socialism but rather calls for the immediate creation of decentralized economic democracy from the grassroots level.

en.wikipedia.org...

Anything anti-capitalism is terrorism.

Then I'm a terrorist

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

You're the one ignorant of the law. There is no law saying that being a socialist is illegal. If you start planning terrorist attacks, that is when you become a terrorist. There is even a " democratic socialist" in the senate right now, Bernie Sanders.

Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is the junior United States Senator from Vermont. He previously represented Vermont's at-large district in the United States House of Representatives and served as Mayor of Burlington, the largest city in Vermont.

Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist,[2][3][4]and has praised European social democracy (though he has also criticized its contemporary "Third Way" departure). He is the first person elected to the U.S. Senate to identify as a socialist in six decades.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 31-12-2012 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

Yes! it is domestic terrorism, at least in my books. disrupting the financial system could harm a lot of people. A large number don't have enough groceries to last a few days, forget a few months

If you want to change the system, you have to work from within it. It will be attacked politically and through the media for sure but it can be done.

I would like to see someone running for President or Prime Minister on the platform of democratic socialism before I could condone sudden collapse.

Run for office. It sounds like you have a lot of good ideas.

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
It never would have happened.


US agencies have plans drawn up to kill everybody, its just part of the game. Didn't the US have plans written up to invade Canada?

I drew up plans to kill my mother. It "never would have happened" but i drew them up. Hell, why not, right?

Does that not concern you in the least? (In principle)

You shrug this off as "part of the game"?? And it's all ok?

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Disclaimer: For the record, this is simply making an argumentative point. My mother has been dead 31 years, i neither killed, hoped for, prayed, sacrificed small mammals or birds or fish for, beat drums by firelight, self mutilated, nor wished her dead, or even even considered drawing up plans.

reply to post by FirstCasualty

maybe you didn't get the memo, but anything undemocratic is terrorism. Anything anti-capitalism is terrorism.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

If not, you're one of those lapdogs...

Or else a troll.

and these are the people who want our guns to keep us safer?

Who are the terrorists again?
I never had any plans drawn up to assasinate anyone.
Did you?

Guess who did?

Your own Government.
and who was the target supposed to be?
American citizens!!

I'd rather take my chances with "Alqaeda any day".

It's hard to believe the US has come to this, but look a the Secret Service that were lost when they were told to stand down and not protect their President in Dallas, 1963. Most do not know it but that was the day a coup d'é·tat was done to our United States.

These people are career people that came in to the FBI with high ideals to be the best of the best, but they have been lied to and corrupted by a corrupt system, this stuff all comes down the line and ends up being Monkey See Monkey do.

I think as time goes on the Crooks who took over our Government will lose, as Woody Harrelsonn said in movie "Ethos", "A Time of Truth" is coming, and all of their lies are no longer going to be excepted. They might not believe it, but their times are coming to a end.. There is a lot more to this "Truth", that is coming,, than that is on the surface, but they have unknowingly set about their own end.

You could see the Evil lies that came from Bush's mouth, he was a clown still is, he has already been found guilty in a World Court, as have his cronies.

reply to post by Liquesence


No, I'm not a shill, cheer leader or troll. Is it really any surprise that LE agencies are "out" for anything terrorist or anti democratic, capitalist or whatever. As I said earlier, I doubt this plan if it existed would make it very far up the ladder. The terrorism hustle which includes domestic terrorism, has a lot going on and too much to risk on a little protest. If it did get to the point of ugly, like a takeover or long term disturbance of any property in the financial districts, I could see the use off deadly force.

And for the record. I am anti capitalism, and probably closer to what you called a democratic socialist. The transition vehicle is where we might not agree. Instead of standing on the streets protesting and causing a disturbance, actually present something tangible that can be adopted gradually. Get it on paper.

I went to Occupy in Vancouver BC. It really did't sound like anyone had a workable plan. They should submit a proposal to do a research report on a tangible transition of government and economy.

A suggesting if you do present something. Make sure it takes at least 60 years to take effect. If the ruling class see their fortunate lives evaporate in your proposal, they wouldn't even consider it. `

reply to post by FirstCasualty

Yes! it is domestic terrorism, at least in my books. disrupting the financial system could harm a lot of people. A large number don't have enough groceries to last a few days, forget a few months

see? your arguments make no sense, because OWS was about protesting AGAINST the bank bailout that heaped a huge debt on the common citizen. too big to fail is on the opposite spectrum from capitalism.

now we have an even greater national debt, and who will be called to pay it off? the middle class, which is rapidly merging with the lower class.

capitalism dictates that ineffective businesses should fail, so by your own definition of "terrorist", not protesting this move to support true capitalism would be terrorism.

you must be on the taliban's payroll. /sarcasm you are, by your own definition, a terrorist. quite illogical.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by FirstCasualty

 

Yes! it is domestic terrorism, at least in my books. disrupting the financial system could harm a lot of people. A large number don't have enough groceries to last a few days, forget a few months

see? your arguments make no sense, because OWS was about protesting AGAINST the bank bailout that heaped a huge debt on the common citizen. too big to fail is on the opposite spectrum from capitalism.

now we have an even greater national debt, and who will be called to pay it off? the middle class, which is rapidly merging with the lower class.

capitalism dictates that ineffective businesses should fail, so by your own definition of "terrorist", not protesting this move to support true capitalism would be terrorism.

you must be on the taliban's payroll. /sarcasm you are, by your own definition, a terrorist. quite illogical.

Your out of control. Thats a crazy statement, you don't even know me. I did point out that i was anti-capitalist, so i don't need the lecture. And so far I have not noticed anything posted (i admit i didn't read all 127 pages) that points to the FBI saying THEY were going to kill anyone with sniper fire. It sounded like they were discussing a 3rd party. Who is it they were talking about?

I vote with Screwed on this ..........
Dont any of you understand that the FBI gave the truck bomb to the first WTC bombers?
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Imagine how this would play out... Once the shooting occurred, people who are conspiracy theorists like on ATS would be immediately dismissed by the majority of the public for saying that our government did this to us. That's why it was very possible for them to do it and even considered it.

reply to post by FirstCasualty


Yeah, this does not clearly say the government was planning assassinations. Without knowing what the redacted part says, it could be anyone. Frankly, the way it reads to me, it more seems like the FBI was made aware of possibly some anti-OWS group or maybe hitmen working for Wall Street interests that were prepping to carry out assassinations. Several paragraphs immediately after are fully redacted, which could be detailing how this intel was - or was not - handled.