reply to post by NorEaster
LAst and not least to your last thread, my reply:
There aren't any links to all of my material.
You gave me access to 100-200 + pages I remember. I'll search my inbox to see if I still have it and post it as proof.
My conclusion then, the same now, except with further insight. Needlessly heady and intellectually repetitive. Ken Wilbur does a better job because he
includes Mysticism (Something Koestler didn't get to, til after Holon theory, and much later in life. On top of that, reading about Mysticism, is not
the same as experiencing it).
There was another guy on this board who tried to claim that he'd studied my "material", and he went down in flames when he couldn't answer the
most basic question concerning a staple aspect of the theory. I suspect that you'd suffer the same fate if likewise challenged.
I'll go the better route, and use the same loophole that supersedes any debates about it.
#1.) Ken Wilbur.
#2.) Something Wilbur agrees on and is a tenet built on logic & reason. Anything that can be said, conceptualized, theorized, imagined, separated,
distinctions made of, labels put, is not inherent reality itself.
The thought of a rock, is not the rock.
Anything you try to come back with, is more words, theories, ideas, systems, holons labels, concepts, etc ....the same systems that allowed you to
falsely jump the gun on Infinity not exist, counter to the recent evidence.
You have no clue whatsoever concerning the nature of reality as I've laid it out if you suspect that we see reality in the same way and are just
divided by semantics.
Trust me, I know what I've uncovered, and it's not something that can be revealed empirically. It takes extremely serious and rigid logic, with
uncompromising discipline in the handling of each indication that makes its way to the surface as you patiently remove layer after layer of the kinds
of perception distortions that are nothing more than the default byproducts of sentience itself.
All that above is a deception distortion.
Plus, you jumped the gun on infinity. Nuff said.
You can't "simplify" the effort to correct 6,000 to 10,000 years worth of belligerent ignorance that's been ground into the very DNA of each and
every human being on this planet.
If the above statement, is without a doubt, Absolutely True, then your own ideas/theories, and mish mash patchworks of other peoples ideas molded into
your own, is also "belligerent ignorance that's been ground into the very DNA" of yourself as well and you are not free from it.
That you think it's possible to simplify this is proof that you have no idea what I've discovered.
If I'm describing an apple, I can just give you one to hold, see, smell, taste, and feel for yourself. I don't have to go off on an apple being a
holon and emergent system stemming from tree's, themselves on the level of orchards, in fields, in towns, in counties, in states, in countries, in
planets, etc ad infinitum ever bigger hierarchies, and sums of its parts are not the whole and 200 pages plus on the intellecualisim of an apple.
Just hand me an apple. Simple!!!!
Hell, you don't seem to even understand the true impact on research and technology that the Quantum itself had, so why should I be surprised at your
haphazard treatment of my own theory.
Sure I don't, says sarcasm. More assumption. I study daily, weekly, yearly, books, vids, latest news, discuss with Phd's on the subject. The impacts
are everything. The quantum fields are pointing to what the mystics have been saying for thousands of years.
Google: Amit Goswami
I don't expect you to sign on to what I'm doing. I'm not stupid. I do appreciate your engaging me on it though, and I salute your tenacity in
promoting your own views. I enjoyed the chance to engage, and I thank you for the exercise.
Yours is nothing new under the sun. Mine neither. Your combining various theories into One, your own. People do that all the time. It's the evolution
of thought, philosophy, science, and everything else.
Just saying it's incomplete. Wilber took it, where you should have. And where he takes it to, is where the Truth will be found.
In order to complete your theories, we need science to know Consciousness to a very advanced degree. Consciousness is the key to unlock everything.
Without it, everything else fails in incompletion