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Originally posted by dawnstar
since there are two people, and both interests should be considered equally...
what if mom is already going nuts chasing after a couple of kids and feels that maybe they should wait a few years before having the next but dad feels that their marriage really, really needs that sexual pleasure to stay strong and healthy??
one....it is wrong to force the women to accept the risk of getting pregnant if she feels that another child would put her in over her head.
and two, divorce is also a sin...
so, what is your grand solution oh great and noble ones???
which would you prefer?? she take the birth control for the sake of a peaceful home, or would you rather their marriage deteriorate to the point of divorce??
Originally posted by kthxbai
Say the "pro-life/anti-choice" group gets their way and all abortion is done away with. This raises many, many issues. First, would we not have to then hold God himself accountable for miscarriages or still births? If everything possible is done by the expecting mother and medical professionals and there is a miscarriage or still birth, that would make it God's fault wouldn't it? I'm not comfortable with that.
Then there's the extremists born of that movement, like Santorum, that insist that every possible sperm and every possible egg represents a possible life and birth control should be made illegal because it's "MURDER" to them. Also, does that mean that every time a woman ovulates, she has to present sperm to that ovulation or she would be committing murder? Does that mean that every time a man produces sperm the sperm must be introduced to an egg or he is committing murder? That's what the extremists will focus on next. We'll be spending every waking moment of our child producing years having sex. We have to or we are committing murder. (not that I'm complaining, but it would get old after a while).
Abortion isn't murder. It's not pleasant, it's not something I would want to participate in and it's not a choice I would make, but it needs to remain a choice or we devalue human life, not give it more value.
Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by noxvita83
In my opinion, the fuel that is burning this fire has very little to do with the poor unwanted children that aren't born. I was probably the invention of the pill thus giving women the freedom to decide when they would have children and how many that has lead us to where we are now....too many people going into retirement, too few kids entering the workforce, too many immigrants coming being allowed into the country ect...
actually rewarding motherhood or in some way making it a more pleasant option is an idea that is just too extreme for them..
better to just force them to have the kids!!
I got a feeling that if you were to scan the threads you would find that many of those preaching the anti abortion are also the ones claiming the the women should be home tending to the kids instead of the workforce, whining about the minimum wage laws, griping about the social service system, child support, ect....
they want their obedient, subservient wives back in the home.teahing their kids by example what it means to be obedient and subservient, to the king, to the employers, ect.....
your plan doesn't give them that....sorry.
Originally posted by Timing
reply to post by kthxbai
They are being forced to pay for something that is against their beliefs. Doesn't matter if they use it or not. It's the fact that they don't have a choice to chose the type of healthcare plan that they want. The government has dictated that the healthcare plan they will have will fund the morning after-pill.
they are trying to program us, but I have very little doubt that what I stated in the post you just replied to is part of their goal.... why in heaven's name are we doing so much to help the islamic extremists gain more power...could it be that they have one thing right (in the eyes of the power that be) that we don't...mainly, keeping the masses under the control of a strong government backed by "God"?? and there is no way that you are gonna have that kind of control in the US without making a few changes, and the first one is to have mom, at home, being the example how how those kids should be acting the rest of their lives.....obedient, subservient to those who "God" has put into power, in every aspect of their lives!
dependency=servitude..... and women need to be able to control the reproductive glands in order to avoid the dependency part..
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Spectral Norm
So, you believe that all women who use oral contraceptives or IUD's are murders. Okay. Good luck with your crusade.
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
2 Kings 15:16
At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women.
Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us. He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.