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Originally posted by Spectral Norm
What has happened to the world?
So, you have decided to murder your unborn child. Of course, you don't put it that way. You give me some clever and important-sounding euphemisms and techno-babble designed to disguise the fact that it is murder. You say that your sovereignty over your own body gives you the right to commit this murder.
You point to the statutes and say, see, the State agrees with me that I am doing nothing wrong here, as if, by implication, it is impossible for the State to be wrong, and any action that is legal is also moral by definition.
But, I see through your rhetoric and your rationale, and I recognize that it is still a murder, all the more heinous because it is a murder of an innocent and absolutely defenseless human being.
And then, somewhere along the way, I became responsible for providing you with assistance to commit this murder. And when I refuse to render any aid to your diabolical designs, be it material, financial, or otherwise, you cry foul and claim that I am somehow infringing upon your rights.
What has happened to the world?
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
What I commented on, that you posted, was your statement that men should maybe be forced to have vasectomies. Yes, I took that literally. I note that you didn't comment on that, either, in your reply. I await your response to my question.
If a woman wants insurance that covers abortions, then she can pay for such insurance. No one is saying, in this thread, that she should not be able to. What people are saying is that an employer should not be forced to pay for such insurance, if that disagrees with their religious beliefs. A "company" is simply a business, and it's the owner, or owners, that foot the expenses. Forcing someone to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs infringes on those beliefs. It prohibits them from "the free exercise thereof" their religion.
If you don't want someone telling you that you can't have an abortion, if you want one, then by the same token you should not be able to tell someone that they have to pay for that abortion. Paying for the insurance that covers one is paying for one.
Yes, because when I encounter someone with views that are mostly opposite of mine, I use the lists to keep track. Doesn't mean I won't ever agree. I will even star (and flag, for threads) a foe, if I agree with them on a particular thing. Strange world, eh?
I just thought of another way to try and help you see this from my point of view. You don't seem to be pro-religion. Your choice, of course. How would you feel if someone passed a law stating that you, as a business owner, had to pay employees for time taken off work for religious practices? Would your not wanting to pay for that be a restriction on their rights? I don't think it would be. I don't think not paying for abortion drugs is, either.
So many self-righteous and condescending individuals in this thread
Regardless of who is the more righteous, killing your own child is not something that is right. Jesus would say don't kill your own child unless it is to save your own life.
I am not concerned here with plants, or snails, or bacteria, or pathogenic proteins. It was my impression that we were speaking of human beings. And for human beings, life begins at conception. Anything else is merely an attempt to justify murder by calling it something else.