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Originally posted by LTD602
The bizarre claim by right wing extremists that kosher certification
markings on food labels ("U," "K," etc.) cost consumers extra money and
represent, in effect, a "kosher tax" to make rabbis rich, is a striking
example of the propaganda used by anti-Semites to trick the uninformed
into accepting conspiracy charges and stereotypes about Jews.
Kosher?: Without comment, the Supreme Court refused to consider a reinstatement of New York laws that establish standards for labeling kosher Food. The laws prevent fraud in the sale of kosher food. Two Long Island butchers sued the state of New York for its use of an Orthodox Jewish interpretation for deciding what foods to label as Kosher, arguing that such methods favored one religious group�s beliefs over others. A federal appeals court struck down the state�s law, which dated back to 1915. According to a report from CNN.com/Law Center (24 February 2003), as a result of the ruling, nineteen other state laws on kosher food were placed in jeopardy: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.
The appeals court ruled that the laws improperly take sides in what is considered a religious matter. The attorney for the two butchers, Robert Jay Dinerstein, stated that there are disagreements concerning the interpretation of the Jewish laws that govern what is kosher between the orthodox Jewish community and other communities of Judaism. In a court filing, Dinerstein compared the state�s use of the strictly orthodox requirements to a state placing priority to Catholic views over other Christian denominations. �If another denomination of Christianity offered its members Communion, they could only use a Eucharist and wine approved by the Roman Catholic Church; otherwise, the Communion was illegitimate and perpetrated a fraud.� Eliot Spitzer, New York�s Attorney General, said that determining whether a food is kosher is not such a difficult task. In a filing he told the court, �There is no religious dispute that a product containing pork is not kosher, just as there is no religious dispute that meat is not kosher if it is cooked with milk, no effort has been made to draw out and drain its blood, or it has been mixed with other undisputedly non-kosher meat.�
Originally posted by twitchy
Wow the Supreme Court turned it down, WITHOUT COMMENT? How foten do you hear that one? Hmmmm maybe they didn't want to be anti-semitic either.
cnn.com
Each week, the Court receives about 130 petitions for review, decisions by lower courts appealed to the high Court. Relatively few are granted full review. About 7000 such petitions go on the Court's docket each Term.
Oral arguments may be heard in about 100 cases each year, but final opinions may only be issued in 80-90 cases. In addition, some 1200 legal applications of various types are filed each year that can be acted on by a single justice. The Court's opinions are final, no exceptions.
Originally posted by theron dunn
I have read your posts, twitchy, and stand by my position. It is NOT a tax, it is a service for the product marketed to a marketing sugment. If you do not want to buy food that is certified Kosher... DON'T. Sheesh, talk about making a mountain range our of an anthill!
And I stand by my notation that the whole argument is about antisemitism, and NOT about food prices...
Originally posted by LTD602
Here is some very basic but illuminating information regarding this topic, which might help some individuals avoid insulting our Jewsih friends any further.
It's a short read, but easily understood:
www.jewishworldreview.com...
Yes, it's from a Jewsih site. I stand by all my Jewish friends on this issue. I work with them, eat with them, and have grown to admire their faith over the years.
If you have any further questions, simply e-mail the site administrators to learn more.
Originally posted by LTD602
I find it disturbing that this thread has to contine for 3 pages, when all you have to do if you TRULY cared about it is to get in touch with your local MP or Congressman and take some real action. Otherwise, you're coming off as an anti-semite, and by the looks of it here on ATS, a lonely one.
Originally posted by twitchy
Originally posted by theron dunn
I have read your posts, twitchy, and stand by my position. It is NOT a tax, it is a service for the product marketed to a marketing sugment. If you do not want to buy food that is certified Kosher... DON'T. Sheesh, talk about making a mountain range our of an anthill!
And I stand by my notation that the whole argument is about antisemitism, and NOT about food prices...
A thirty Billion dollar a year ant hill. Do you think the food companies absorb this cost, or you do you think they pass it on it on the consumers? You haven't looked through your pantry have you? You can't not buy kosher products, did you really read my posts?
It isn't about anti-semitism at all, its about RACKETEERING. It's about a slap in the face of the seperation of Church and State.
You don't like high grocery bills and state regulated and enforced RELIGOUS fees amounting in the billions of dollars so you are jew hater...
Get real, it isn't antisemitism, like I said, it is anti-getting-screwed. I don't personally give a flip about the jewish faith, or any other religous organization for that matter.
Do they care about me? They sure like my money. Billions. For things like toliet bowl cleaner? What does that have to do with obscure meat laws from deuteronomy?
Why would the courts say this is clear violation of the 1st ammenedment? Maybe you understand the law better than the NY supreme court justices and can explain how it isn't a state mandated religous institution? This isn't just a few specialized products, try ACTUALLY reading my information, check out the sources. That Anti-semitism argument gets really tiresome, adn IMO actually breeds anti-semitism. No, you may find it disapointing, but not everybody is out to get the jewish people. But some of us dn't like paying extra to support their interests either.
Originally posted by theron dunn
transparent antisemitism...
BARELY concealed anti jewish rhetoric.
antisemitism, or, probably more accurately, anti religion.
jewish hate,
antijewish terms
anti jewish propaganda.
neonazi anti jew rhetoric.
Originally posted by twitchy
Originally posted by theron dunn
transparent antisemitism...
BARELY concealed anti jewish rhetoric.
antisemitism, or, probably more accurately, anti religion.
jewish hate,
antijewish terms
anti jewish propaganda.
neonazi anti jew rhetoric.
Let's see if you can respond to an allegation without mentioning any of the above terms. If you do that, and debate the issues presented here, let me know. Savy?
Originally posted by LTD602
Unfortunately, the more you contribute to this thread, the more wedded your theories are to all the terms Theron has listed.
Still, I have no right to make you stop.
Originally posted by twitchy
Originally posted by theron dunn
transparent antisemitism...
BARELY concealed anti jewish rhetoric.
antisemitism, or, probably more accurately, anti religion.
jewish hate,
antijewish terms
anti jewish propaganda.
neonazi anti jew rhetoric.
Let's see if you can respond to an allegation without mentioning any of the above terms. If you do that, and debate the issues presented here, let me know. Savy?
Originally posted by LTD602 For myself, I was never discussing this to begin with.
For a time Pepsi lost its kashrut (kosher) certificate because it was deemed to be promoting a culture that would corrupt the nation's youth through rock music concerts and advertisements featuring scantily-clad women.
www.obv.org.uk...
Protesters recently staged an hour-long occupation of the magazine's offices, demanding that it print an apology for what they claimed was an anti-Semitic cover and articles....The accusations of anti-Semitism have come not only from the group that occupied Mr Wilby's offices, but also from the general secretary of the Labour Party, David Triesman....
The front cover of the magazine's edition of 14 January showed a gold Star of David impaling a Union Jack and was titled "A kosher conspiracy?" The collage on the cover is understood to have been supervised, and was certainly authorised, by the New Statesman's editor, Peter Wilby. An article by the journalist Dennis Sewell, and an accompanying one by John Pilger, looked at pro-Israel support in Britain and alleged Jewish influence.
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
"This time the scam will affect many destitute American consumers who depend on a McDonald's hamburger and fries for nutrition. These consumers will surely pay more for their food now that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations and the rabbis associated with the Star-K symbol have been instrumental in forcing McDonald's to pay up $10 million dollars as part of a Cook County circuit court (Illinois) settlement ruled on May 20. The settlement, obtain on behalf of the rabbis and other groups, was litigated by a group of Jewish attorneys and decided by Jewish Judge Richard Seibel. What was Mc Donald's crime? They failed to divulge that their fries had a "beef" flavoring!"
www.jewishworldreview.com...
Kosher food � it's not just for Jews anymore.
In fact, most consumers would probably be shocked to know that a good number of the products already in their pantries and refrigerators are actually certified kosher.
From Pepperidge Farms and Oreo cookies to Heinz baked beans, Lipton Soup mixes and Wonder Bread, the variety of products certified for use by the kosher consumer is expanding at a pretty torrid pace to address the needs of a growing market.
According to Menachem Lubinsky, co-producer of Kosherfest and president and CEO of Integrated Marketing & Communications in New York, the U.S. produces about $500 billion worth of packaged foods of which $170 billion is certified kosher. On the ingredient side, there's also about $500 billion of which $300 billion is certified kosher.
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
Israel Shahak, ...professor of organic chemistry at Hebrew University, who had a scientist's respect for objective truth. He was also a concentration camp survivor, an Israeli army veteran and a campaigner for Arab human rights....
Shahak believes that Jews need to re-educate themselves about their history and religion. Jews are "a closed society" that uses "anti Semitism" to quash criticism, which is considered "hatred" or "self hatred."
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, who was awarded the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize, has candidly identified the reason: "The Israeli government is placed on a pedestal [in the US], and to criticize it is to be immediately dubbed anti-Semitic," he said. "People are scared in this country, to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful -- very powerful."
news.independent.co.uk...
On June 4, 2004 The Independent reported, "As home to Seinfeld , delis and the best bagels in the world, New York is indelibly linked to Jewish culture. But the Jews have made a shocking discovery: The city's water is not kosher."
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
Alexandre Mo�se, president of the Zionist Federation of France, was arrested and convicted, after having sworn out warrants because of numerous threats, that he had sent himself, in order to appear a "Jewish victim,"
Caught in this net for spreading anti-Jewish thoughts is also Margaret Mead
www.mljewish.org...
From: Mordechai Horowitz
Date: Fri Sep 5 6:38:29 US/Pacific 2003
Subject: Anti-Christian Bigotry
>The solution, the editorial goes on to say, is to challenge Gibson to
>show that he cares about the Jewish community by contributing to Jewish
>charitable causes and by fighting anti-semitism.
How would we feel if Christians accused Jews of being bigots, and
demanded we give charity to Christian charitable causes?
Comments like this make the entire issue look like a financial shakedown
by the organized Jewish community.
www.interfaithfamily.com...
In praising the hospital, Lieberman did not mention its dirty little secret: Its fertility clinic discriminates against mixed couples. Alone among Israeli hospitals, Shaare Zedek refuses to perform in-vitro fertilization on a Christian woman if her partner is a Jew, or on a Jewish women with a gentile husband. If, for example, Al Gore's daughter Karenna and her husband, Drew Schiff, were to seek treatment, they'd be turned away. It is a policy the head of the Israeli Association of Gynecology has denounced as "awful" and "unethical."
www.csmonitor.com...
Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.