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Originally posted by MrNECROS
I must say I see Twitchy's point - Halal and Kosher endorsements do not ensure quality at all - they just specify the foodstuffs as religiously certified.
It is a backdoor way of racketeering cash for religion.
Unfortunately you can't say bad things even indirectly about Jews on the Internet or you'll be instantly branded anti-Semite and a "hate monger"
- even if the point is valid.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
Actually I don't buy Kosher foods Theron, not much of a market for them here in Thailand
Try to have your own opinions rather than just sulking around looking for my posts so you can broadly blast me for having an opinion of any sort.
Also please stop quoting posts, this is a message thread, doing this sort of thing just makes them overly long and illegible
Originally posted by MrNECROS
I don't know where this BS about blessing a factory for a hundred bucks comes from - we used to do Jewish Banquets at the hotel I worked at many years ago and the bill for "Koshering" the establishmnet just for one wedding or suchlike was enormous, like in excess of Au$10,000.00
They would have "Kosher" cleaners firstly come and scrub the living daylights out of all food preparation areas and impose all sorts of restrictions on who or what could be brought into them.
The craziest bit about it all was they wouldn't even cook anything in the ovens - they would just line them with tin foil to reheat food prepared in certified Kosher kitchens.
They would bring all their own cuttlery, plates and glasses etc...you almost wondered why they would bother in the first place.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
I don't know where this BS about blessing a factory for a hundred bucks comes from - we used to do Jewish Banquets at the hotel I worked at many years ago and the bill for "Koshering" the establishmnet just for one wedding or suchlike was enormous, like in excess of Au$10,000.00
They would have "Kosher" cleaners firstly come and scrub the living daylights out of all food preparation areas and impose all sorts of restrictions on who or what could be brought into them.
The craziest bit about it all was they wouldn't even cook anything in the ovens - they would just line them with tin foil to reheat food prepared in certified Kosher kitchens.
They would bring all their own cuttlery, plates and glasses etc...you almost wondered why they would bother in the first place.
Originally posted by LTD602
NECROS, Twtichy, et al.
In this thread, I''m sensing an ENORMOUS disrespect for Jewish tradition. "Money" is beside the point., incidentally.
The Chicago Jewish Sentinel
July 7, 1988
"Kosher products retail sales today amount to $30 billion a year"
www.adlusa.com...
In 1959, the Wall Street Journal estimated this "tax" at about $20 million and it is thought to be in the hundreds of millions today. The Jewish Post of July 30, 1976 reported that Rabbi Harvey Sentor admitted that Kov K was a "profit-making concern."
community-2.webtv.net...
"Rabbi Bernard Levy, head of the Orthodox, "Committee For The Furtherance of Torah Observance," demonstrates how he stamps the Kosher symbol which has made him untold millions of dollars.(Tax free)"
www.aztlan.net...
We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher" but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.
community-2.webtv.net...
"The New York Times, a Jewish owned daily, in a rare article on this subject back on May 18, 1975, reported that kosher symbols are deliberately printed "unobtrusively on labels" so that they will go unnoticed by Christians."
The Jewish Press
Feb. 26, 1988,
...quotes Menachem Lubinsky, a major marketer of kosher products as saying, "the industry should tell inquisitive Christians this line, Kosher has become something like the 'Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval'. It makes a product appear to be healthier and of better quality."
and according to
www.radioislam.org...
"A Dobie Pad ad appeared in "Women's Day Magazine" - with the "U" symbol has been deliberately painted out. This Dobie Pad ad appeared in Jewish publications nation-wide. - Note: There is an arrow to draw attention to the "U".
Alot of advertising agencies paint the stamp out of their ads for products, I wonder why?
Quality assurance, that's what your paying for.... Yeah...
Washington Post
Nov. 2, 1987
quote Rabbi Schulem Rubin, an Orthodox rabbi from the Bronx as declaring:
"Kosher doesn't taste any better; kosher isn't healthier; kosher doesn't have less salmonella."
www.ukar.org...
As the smallest change in ingredients or in the manner of processing requires an independent rabbinical review and an independent certification of kosher, any variation by a producer is considered to constitute a different product � to consider just three examples, Astro Strawberry Yogurt is considered to be a different product from Astro Raspberry Yogurt, and different even from Astro Strawberries and Cream Yogurt; or Bertolli Extra Light Olive Oil is considered to be a different product from Bertolli Extra Virgin Olive Oil; or Kraft Unsweetened and Unsalted Peanut Butter is different from Kraft Light and Smooth Peanut Butter, which is different from Kraft Smooth Peanut Butter, which is different from Kraft Crunchy Peanut Butter.
www.samliquidation.com...
"The Union of Orthodox Rabbis which issues the (U) symbol controls 80% of the Kosher certification business. They employ some 300 Rabbis who travel nation-wide "inspecting" food processing plants. First, the company must pay an annual fee for the use of the copyright symbol--the (U) or (K) or a version thereof. Second, the company must pay a separate heavy fee each time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" their plant (Certain meat packers are required to hire Rabbis full time at extravagant salaries). Third, the company must pay these fees over and over again for each different product they make. Thus, General Foods pays dozens of separate fees. Also, each sub-contracting company which provides any type of ingredient which goes into the finished product must also pay separate fees to the "visiting Rabbis". Sometimes a single product may eventually be taxed as many as a dozen times right down the line before it reaches you the consumer! Last, but not least, these fees must be paid annually and they are increased each year."
They use Kosher Coke A Cola,(Pepsi is also Kosher), Kosher Kraft Cheese, and Secret Mac sauce (Thousand Island salad dressing), Kosher Ketchup, Kosher buns, and Kosher oil for deep frying. Millions of people, world wide, are paying Kosher taxes, from New York, to Moscow, to Tokyo, even if the buy, of all things, a cheeseburger. Hindu India, that uses lamb for their burgers, has to pay this Kosher Tax. Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut, and many other chain restaurants..."
www.adlusa.com...
The UOJCA extracts exactly the same levy as Kov K. Here is how the scheme works. An Orthodox Rabbi warns a company that unless their product is certified as Kosher they will face a boycott by every Jew in America. Once the company agrees, it must keep the amount paid a strict secret!"
Jewish Newsletter
William Zukerman
1970
"The Jewish Newsletter is published by William Zukerman. In 1970 he came out with a super-sensational article charging that Orthodox rabbis had turned the kosher labeling business into a multi-million dollar racket. He said that absolutely nothing which does not contain meat or a meat by-product needs a kosher label. He quotes Mrs. Weiss-Rosmarin, "the greatest rabbinical authority," as testifying that no soft drink, Coca-Cola, nor any other drink needs kosher approval. Again, ONLY MEAT and items containing MEAT by-products need Kosher approval."
www.ukar.org/tax02.html
"The case of H�agen-Dazs Vanilla Ice Cream proved unique in that it appeared to receive certification from two different kosher-accreditation agencies, the Council of Orthodox Rabbis (COR, Toronto) and the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (OU, New York). Although the label for this product is shown under both categories below, it is counted only once, in the COR category."
www.davidicke.net/religiousfrauds/ judaism/koshertax.html
"The Chicago Sun-Times of March 24th 1975 reported the problems that General Foods faced over it's Jell-O product. It was given the "K" kosher approval by a rabbi from the Furtherance of Torah Observance, but then the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations told Jewish people that Jell-O was NOT kosher and instructed them not to buy it. General Foods then invited the "Union" to inspect their factories and they then issued the "U" label...for yet another fee!"
"You will see these kosher approvals on a range of products which would not for a moment come into question over being kosher. Products like Coca Cola for instance. But to make the killing as comprehensive as possible, these organisations insisted that "their" people must know also if a product needs a kosher stamp or not. In other words they opened up their range of income to potentially every product. They began to issue K-Pareve and U-Pareve stamps, which means the product is "neutral" and does not need a kosher stamp!!!! And they charge for this! Labels began to appear of kitchen foil, sandwich bags, window and other cleansers."
The B'nai B'rith Messenger
April 2, 1965
"a nationally known rabbi, who had promised to expose the kosher racket was allegedly told to shut-up or else!"
www.sdlusa.com...
"Take a look at the items in your cupboard and you'll find either the (U) or (K) labels on almost every one of them...The circled "U," sometimes with the word "Parve", stands for Union of Orthodox Jews (UOJCA), the "K" stands for Kosher (KOV K)."
www.compuserb.com...
"In 1960, 225 food products paid the Kosher tax, 476 in 1966, 1000 in 1974, and today 17,500 companies are paying this multi-level tax"
www.webprowire.com...
"Health & Science: Couple grows kosher pet food business
By ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer"
www.ukar.org/chrc/cjc01.html
"What we have stumbled upon here is a Jewish tax on food which appears to have spread throughout the kitchen to non-food items so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products, and from there made its way to the laundry room so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products, and from there metastacized to the medicine cabinet so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products plus over-the-counter medications." � Lubomyr Prytulak "
proliberty.com...
"To maintain their certification status, the corporation must hire, at their own expense, independent production supervisors to inspect production processes to insure kosher standards are maintained. Some companies, such as cheese manufacturers, must have full-time rabbis on staff to perform specific functions during the production process. "
"In contrast to the ADL view of kosher certification, former prominent New York business broker Michael Santomauro commented, �One of the major unspoken reasons for anti-Semitism in the business world is the kosher tax....The ADL report went on to label anyone who believes kosher certification to be anything other than a process intended to protect the purity of food as �anti-Semitic....
"However, in 1975 the New York Times reported that the cost to General Foods' �Bird's Eye� Corn, for example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per unit. In 2002 the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), in an effort to justify the kosher certification industry reported how �a representative of the Heinz Company said that the per item cost is 'so small we can't even calculate it,' and that such labeling actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.�
"The amount may seem small, but so do most taxes. The devil is in the mathematical details. Depending upon whether a �unit� is a package or the number of things, such individual kernels of peas or corn in a package, the revenue generated from kosher certification, if every American purchased an average of 35 kosher products per week, would be somewhere between $117,554,118 and $58 billion over the last 35 years. If the UOJC would just tell us the numbers, such conjecture would not be necessary." �
www.libertyhaven.com...
"State kashrut supervision has recently come under attack in the courts. Last year the New Jersey Supreme Court overturned that state's kashrut regulations as an unconstitutional establishment of religion. In Maryland, a hot-dog vendor has brought a similar challenge against a Baltimore ordinance, and the case is pending in federal court."
www.firstamendmentcenter.org...
Federal judge denies Virginia inmate's request for kosher meals
By The Associated Press
02.03.03
ROANOKE, Va. � A federal judge has denied a Virginia prisoner's request for kosher meals, declaring unconstitutional part of a federal law that dictates how government should treat the religious rights of inmates.
Senior U.S. District Judge James Turk ruled Jan. 24 that requiring prison officials to provide Ira Madison, 32, with kosher meals would place the right to religious freedom above other civil rights....Elliot Mincberg with People for the American Way said his organization would support an appeal.
"What we're talking about here is not granting preference to religion, but trying to remove the burdens on religions that are placed by government agencies," Mincberg said....
4th Circuit sides with prisoner seeking kosher diet
Panel reverses federal judge's ruling, finds RLUIPA isn't an unconstitutional advancement of religion. 12.09.03
Federal judge to Colorado prisons: Serve kosher food to Jewish inmates
Prisoners accused corrections officials of religious-liberty violations for making them for kosher meals. 01.31.00
Arkansas prison told to give inmate kosher food
8th Circuit says state officials should continue to provide kosher meals, food stipend for Kelvin Ray Love until permanent solution can be worked out. 07.09.02
N.Y. inmates lose bid for vegan meals
Prisoners claim diet is part of their faith, but federal judge says Rikers Island hasn't caused 'irreparable harm' necessary for court to grant injunction. 07.17.03
No specially prepared meat for Islamic inmates, 3rd Circuit says
Three-judge panel finds that providing vegetarian meals instead is a reasonable accommodation of prisoners' religious beliefs. 09.12.03
Originally posted by LTD602
NECROS, Twtichy, et al.
In this thread, I''m sensing an ENORMOUS disrespect for Jewish tradition. "Money" is beside the point., incidentally.
Originally posted by LTD602
The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of the
total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms as to be
virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York _Times_ article reported
that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for example, is 6.5
millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore, a representative of
the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost is "so small we can't
even calculate it," and that such labeling actually makes products less
costly by increasing the market for them.
Originally posted by twitchy
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