Can you guys not try to turn this into an anti-semitic thing here, it's not. Alot of people on boards have been to known to post on a shades account
to start an argument to get a thread closed, so let's stay on target here shall we? This isn't antisemitic, it's a discussion, an examination of
what I believe to be a clear violation of church and state by an organization that in it's own words is "of profit making concern". It ain't no
little blessing here, it's billions.
The Chicago Jewish Sentinel
July 7, 1988
"Kosher products retail sales today amount to $30 billion a year"
In 1959, the Wall Street Journal estimated this "tax" at about $20 million and it is thought to be in the hundreds of millions today. The Jewish
Post of July 30, 1976 reported that Rabbi Harvey Sentor admitted that Kov K was a "profit-making concern."
10,000 bucks is pretty inconvienent for a wedding I'd say heck most churches wouldn't charge you that for renting the entire facility you get
married in, especially since not everybody there was jewish probably. Here's a guy that must do a lot of weddings.
"Rabbi Bernard Levy, head of the Orthodox, "Committee For The Furtherance of Torah Observance," demonstrates how he stamps the Kosher symbol which
has made him untold millions of dollars.(Tax free)"
Hey wonder if he does seminars on how to do this? (yup). Can I go to one? (nope)
Does this look like a blessing to you? Here's a site by one of the inspectors, explains the incredible process they administer... look like nice guys
if you read this site, he really thought he had them for a minute on that platic wrap eh?
But we openly label our products, It isnt a secret... well, no its not a secret but uh....
We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the Folgers
Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as most others, have
1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their products. When we asked the
Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her supervisor.
She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be
"kosher" and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate
Public Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and she
also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher" but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox Corporation has to
make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.
'Well just don't buy the ones with the label, they are clearly marked'... 'Just settle for lesser quality products'...
Hey thanks, but are
they clearly labeled so I can make sure I don't pay extra for religous quality Window Cleaner? Clearly Labeled?
"The New York Times, a Jewish owned daily, in a rare article on this subject back on May 18, 1975, reported that kosher symbols are deliberately
printed "unobtrusively on labels" so that they will go unnoticed by Christians."
The Jewish Press
Feb. 26, 1988,
...quotes Menachem Lubinsky, a major marketer of kosher products as saying, "the industry should tell inquisitive Christians this line, Kosher has
become something like the 'Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval'. It makes a product appear to be healthier and of better quality."
and according to
"A Dobie Pad ad appeared in "Women's Day Magazine" - with the "U" symbol has been deliberately painted out. This Dobie Pad ad appeared in Jewish
publications nation-wide. - Note: There is an arrow to draw attention to the "U".
Alot of advertising agencies paint the stamp out of their ads for products, I wonder why?
Quality assurance, that's what your paying for.... Yeah...
Nov. 2, 1987
quote Rabbi Schulem Rubin, an Orthodox rabbi from the Bronx as declaring:
"Kosher doesn't taste any better; kosher isn't healthier; kosher doesn't have less salmonella."
But we only charge them once a year, it isn't 'multi-level'...
As the smallest change in ingredients or in the manner of processing requires an independent rabbinical review and an independent certification of
kosher, any variation by a producer is considered to constitute a different product — to consider just three examples, Astro Strawberry Yogurt is
considered to be a different product from Astro Raspberry Yogurt, and different even from Astro Strawberries and Cream Yogurt; or Bertolli Extra Light
Olive Oil is considered to be a different product from Bertolli Extra Virgin Olive Oil; or Kraft Unsweetened and Unsalted Peanut Butter is different
from Kraft Light and Smooth Peanut Butter, which is different from Kraft Smooth Peanut Butter, which is different from Kraft Crunchy Peanut Butter.
"The Union of Orthodox Rabbis which issues the (U) symbol controls 80% of the Kosher certification business. They employ some 300 Rabbis who travel
nation-wide "inspecting" food processing plants. First, the company must pay an annual fee for the use of the copyright symbol--the (U) or (K) or a
version thereof. Second, the company must pay a separate heavy fee each time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" their plant (Certain meat
packers are required to hire Rabbis full time at extravagant salaries). Third, the company must pay these fees over and over again for each different
product they make. Thus, General Foods pays dozens of separate fees. Also, each sub-contracting company which provides any type of ingredient which
goes into the finished product must also pay separate fees to the "visiting Rabbis". Sometimes a single product may eventually be taxed as many as a
dozen times right down the line before it reaches you the consumer! Last, but not least, these fees must be paid annually and they are increased each
It's just a few food companies... Yeah like Mcdonalds?
They use Kosher Coke A Cola,(Pepsi is also Kosher), Kosher Kraft Cheese, and Secret Mac sauce (Thousand Island salad dressing), Kosher Ketchup, Kosher
buns, and Kosher oil for deep frying. Millions of people, world wide, are paying Kosher taxes, from New York, to Moscow, to Tokyo, even if the buy, of
all things, a cheeseburger. Hindu India, that uses lamb for their burgers, has to pay this Kosher Tax. Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut,
and many other chain restaurants..."
What happens if they don't pay it once approached?
The UOJCA extracts exactly the same levy as Kov K. Here is how the scheme works. An Orthodox Rabbi warns a company that unless their product is
certified as Kosher they will face a boycott by every Jew in America. Once the company agrees, it must keep the amount paid a strict secret!"
Hmmmm, you'd hate to be known as anti-smeitic. Of course you pay it. But not only do you have to pay it, your suppliers have to pay it, your
packaging guys have to pay it, products and services which have nothing to do with food, fees to inspect Kosher Bleach?
What If I liked to use Tide Detergent, but believed Allah and Dancing Camels were to devour my soul in the after life or something, and didn't want
my prices higher because it was Kosher.
If I were a major food conglomerate getting charged at every level of our production for a religous institution's preference say for Twitchy Brand
toliet bowl cleaner, I might at some point be tempted to ask, "We have to pay to reach Jewish religous standards, when they only represent 3% of our
market?" Then I would angrily exclaim..."and this is federally legislated!??" How do you get that that it isn't a tax? Last I heard, fee was a
synonym of the word tax, and that it was illegal to legislate much of anything in regards to a religous organization.
Can you afford to have a JB (for Joe Blow)printed on a major coporations label's? Probably not, but while most other organizations that can,
generally have to pay or barter for this assosciation (i.e. good housekeeping seal). The Jewish Kosher Guys run around getting paid to do it.
Let's say some Italian guy named Antonio Kickyerarseio and a his buddies pulled up to your place of business and told you they were going to charge
you some money to look around your place every year and made sure it looked good and catholic-ish enough to let you stay open without being
'publicly' boycotted and known 'publicly' as a catholic hater?
There are words for that kind of operation, one of them is "racket". Who says so? Wella lot of folks do, apparently even some Rabbi's.
"The Jewish Newsletter is published by William Zukerman. In 1970 he came out with a super-sensational article charging that Orthodox rabbis had
turned the kosher labeling business into a multi-million dollar racket. He said that absolutely nothing which does not contain meat or a meat
by-product needs a kosher label. He quotes Mrs. Weiss-Rosmarin, "the greatest rabbinical authority," as testifying that no soft drink, Coca-Cola,
nor any other drink needs kosher approval. Again, ONLY MEAT and items containing MEAT by-products need Kosher approval."
It's not some kind of monopoly... no they can compete... With Each Other!
"The case of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla Ice Cream proved unique in that it appeared to receive certification from two different kosher-accreditation
agencies, the Council of Orthodox Rabbis (COR, Toronto) and the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (OU, New York). Although the label for this
product is shown under both categories below, it is counted only once, in the COR category."
"The Chicago Sun-Times of March 24th 1975 reported the problems that General Foods faced over it's Jell-O product. It was given the "K" kosher
approval by a rabbi from the Furtherance of Torah Observance, but then the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations told Jewish people that Jell-O was
NOT kosher and instructed them not to buy it. General Foods then invited the "Union" to inspect their factories and they then issued the "U"
label...for yet another fee!"
"You will see these kosher approvals on a range of products which would not for a moment come into question over being kosher. Products like Coca
Cola for instance. But to make the killing as comprehensive as possible, these organisations insisted that "their" people must know also if a
product needs a kosher stamp or not. In other words they opened up their range of income to potentially every product. They began to issue K-Pareve
and U-Pareve stamps, which means the product is "neutral" and does not need a kosher stamp!!!! And they charge for this! Labels began to appear of
kitchen foil, sandwich bags, window and other cleansers."
Well how come it isn't on the largely Jewish controlled media? Do i really have to answer that one? Well ok I will...
The B'nai B'rith Messenger
April 2, 1965
"a nationally known rabbi, who had promised to expose the kosher racket was allegedly told to shut-up or else!"
Maybe that has something to do with it eh?
But only a few products carry this certification? before you swallow that one, Have you every really looked? They even made the US postage stamp
"Take a look at the items in your cupboard and you'll find either the (U) or (K) labels on almost every one of them...The circled "U," sometimes
with the word "Parve", stands for Union of Orthodox Jews (UOJCA), the "K" stands for Kosher (KOV K)."
"In 1960, 225 food products paid the Kosher tax, 476 in 1966, 1000 in 1974, and today 17,500 companies are paying this multi-level tax"
Now it is 20 something thousand, most of them large coporations paying multi level religous fees not including like was stated earlier, small
operations for weddings other services. Billions.
Wow even the pet food?!!
"Health & Science: Couple grows kosher pet food business
By ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer"
What a blessing!
I always try to get both sides of the story, lets see what the other guys are saying...
But it keeps from having to eat pork! It's about obscure meat laws from Deuteronomy! Yeah....
"What we have stumbled upon here is a Jewish tax on food which appears to have spread throughout the kitchen to non-food items so as to become a
Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products, and from there made its way to the laundry room so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products
plus laundry products, and from there metastacized to the medicine cabinet so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry
products plus over-the-counter medications." — Lubomyr Prytulak "
It's not that big of a deal! No?
"To maintain their certification status, the corporation must hire, at their own expense, independent production supervisors to inspect production
processes to insure kosher standards are maintained. Some companies, such as cheese manufacturers, must have full-time rabbis on staff to perform
specific functions during the production process. "
"In contrast to the ADL view of kosher certification, former prominent New York business broker Michael Santomauro commented, “One of the major
unspoken reasons for anti-Semitism in the business world is the kosher tax....The ADL report went on to label anyone who believes kosher certification
to be anything other than a process intended to protect the purity of food as “anti-Semitic....
"However, in 1975 the New York Times reported that the cost to General Foods' “Bird's Eye” Corn, for example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a
cent per unit. In 2002 the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), in an effort to justify the kosher certification industry reported how “a representative of
the Heinz Company said that the per item cost is 'so small we can't even calculate it,' and that such labeling actually makes products less costly
by increasing the market for them.”
"The amount may seem small, but so do most taxes. The devil is in the mathematical details. Depending upon whether a “unit” is a package or the
number of things, such individual kernels of peas or corn in a package, the revenue generated from kosher certification, if every American purchased
an average of 35 kosher products per week, would be somewhere between $117,554,118 and $58 billion over the last 35 years. If the UOJC would just tell
us the numbers, such conjecture would not be necessary." ”
It's not federally legislated! Uh yes it is...
"State kashrut supervision has recently come under attack in the courts. Last year the New Jersey Supreme Court overturned that state's kashrut
regulations as an unconstitutional establishment of religion. In Maryland, a hot-dog vendor has brought a similar challenge against a Baltimore
ordinance, and the case is pending in federal court."
here's a site by one of the inspectors, explains the incredible process they administer... look like nice guys don't they... if you read this site,
he really thought he had them for a minute on that platic wrap eh?
Another interesting site...
There's nobody saying this violates any rights.... No? But there is legal precedent that it violates the rights of even prisoners who of course have
few other rights. More legal cases are widely known as well if you care for more examples of this being claimed as violations of something let me
Federal judge denies Virginia inmate's request for kosher meals
By The Associated Press
ROANOKE, Va. — A federal judge has denied a Virginia prisoner's request for kosher meals, declaring unconstitutional part of a federal law that
dictates how government should treat the religious rights of inmates.
Senior U.S. District Judge James Turk ruled Jan. 24 that requiring prison officials to provide Ira Madison, 32, with kosher meals would place the
right to religious freedom above other civil rights....Elliot Mincberg with People for the American Way said his organization would support an
"What we're talking about here is not granting preference to religion, but trying to remove the burdens on religions that are placed by government
agencies," Mincberg said....
Is it fairly distributed or did the precednet stand? Of course not...
4th Circuit sides with prisoner seeking kosher diet
Panel reverses federal judge's ruling, finds RLUIPA isn't an unconstitutional advancement of religion. 12.09.03
Good for the goose, good for the gander right? Wrong...
Federal judge to Colorado prisons: Serve kosher food to Jewish inmates
Prisoners accused corrections officials of religious-liberty violations for making them for kosher meals. 01.31.00
Arkansas prison told to give inmate kosher food
8th Circuit says state officials should continue to provide kosher meals, food stipend for Kelvin Ray Love until permanent solution can be worked out.
N.Y. inmates lose bid for vegan meals
Prisoners claim diet is part of their faith, but federal judge says Rikers Island hasn't caused 'irreparable harm' necessary for court to grant
No specially prepared meat for Islamic inmates, 3rd Circuit says
Three-judge panel finds that providing vegetarian meals instead is a reasonable accommodation of prisoners' religious beliefs. 09.12.03