Originally posted by Rising Against
Some of you just aren't getting it I'm afraid, and now I feel the need for some clarification. It seems flat out lies have even been posted, something I don't appreciate one bit. So, let me clarify a few thing's:
"Rightful free speech" is something I, and of course others here, fight for. I have done in the past, and It's something I'll fight for again in the future. End of. Fact. Case closed. If you want to challenge that then you're fighting a massively losing battle. I'm a supporter of it as is everyone else here, and in particular I support the likes of those others who have publicly fought for it too.
This being so, flat out hate speech on the other hand, well, no, I don't really give a damn what anyone says about speech, I'm never going to support that. Not now, not ever. Sorry, but that's the way it's going to be. If you have something hateful to say well then say goodbye to the respect I had for you and say goodbye to my support for you too. Because It surely will be gone.
And come on now, why is all of this a surprise to anyone here? I've always had this opinion. Nothing has changed. I've always been a massive supporter of rightful speech - just look at my threads if you don't believe me ( ), but never have I been a supporter of hate. Nobody should. As far as I'm concerned it has no place, and never will have a place, in society. It's not needed nor should it be so wanted.
My mod tag has absolutely nothing to do with anything either. If anyone wants to bring it up of course, then well done, you're going off topic in an attempt to insult me to a degree. You just lost a debate. It's this kind of thing which I'm talking about here as well. We can have an Intelligent discussion but time and time again people have chosen to resort to attacking others because they don't like what they hear, and not just in this thread but in others too, not forgetting in real life. Is that really what we want to see, attacks? How is that productive, how is that kind of hate productive anywhere? It just isn't. It's a detriment if anything.
Sure, I may have gone a bit far when I applauded the jail of this person, that I admit. And I am man enough to admit when I may be wrong. Let's remember though that Hillsborough means a hell of a lot to me after all, it's why I recently wrote a thread about it, something which was frustratingly hard to post. But at the same time, never will I apologize for having my opinion that hate is something that we should challenge because it does need to be. To openly allow it in society without a care, well, that's not something I can ever accept. And truly, I'm saddened that others can accept it so easily though, I really am. This may be my last post on the matter as I'm tired of the nonsensical lies and crap posted by others, but really, I have to say this,.. if you support hate, then you really need to take a look at your own morals here. There's supporting free speech, and then there's that crossing of the line by allowing pure, absolute hate into our society. To allow it willingly is taking a massive step backwards..edit on 30-12-2012 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Rising Against
Wow, I came into this thread expecting to see a lot of "well done's", and "thankfully this guy was arrested", but instead I see everyone thus far complaining about it? Seriously? Wow, how absolutely disgusting that is.
The Hillsborough disaster is called a disaster for a reason people. Period. 96 innocent people died that day when they shouldn't have. 96 families were punished in the most horrible way and millions of people even watched this incident take place live on television. It's something that's scarred many. And someone's actually ranting about it and being highly offensive to the victims, victims of which were blamed for their own deaths up until this year until the truth finally came out.
Yet, bearing this in mind, the fact that someone is offending those who wrongly died, some of which were yet to reach the age of 15, the offender is being defended right here on ATS. That actually makes me quite sad to be a member.
Well done for this moron being arrested. He can spew his hate in prison.
Edit: Sad thing is I'll probably be one of the only one's saying this too. But, it has to be said really. This is just pure hate speech from a pure moron. The fact some are defending it sickens me too.edit on 30-12-2012 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)