Great post and the first i have heard of this. I share that the picture shows more dead prisoners that accounts state. Worth a look is this
The Dachau Massacre. The Slaughter of Nazis in Death Camps During WW2., page 1
Topic started on 30-12-2012 @ 06:04 AM by daaskapital
Everyone has heard of the Holocaust, the slaughter of European Jews during the years of World War 2. One thing that is not often spoken about however are the murders of Nazi Prisoners of War during WW2. The Dachau Massacre (otherwise known as the Dachau liberation reprisals) obviously does not rival the Holocaust, but it is an event which is not widely known. It is an event which this thread will be looking at today.
Before we get started, it must be noted that this thread is in no way anti-American, even though it does focus on a specific action committed by American forces during WW2. I am merely providing information for the interested reader. Now, lets get on with it...
The Massacre in question occurred at the very first Nazi death camp, the Dachau concentration camp. The Dachau concentration camp was opened on March 22nd 1933, and was described by Heinrich Himmler as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners." It was located in the south of Germany, and was used as a prototype. One in which all other concentration camps would eventually be inspired by. The Dachau concentration camp's layout was used by all later camps of Nazi Germany.
The camp was used primarily to hold German nationals who were considered enemies of the Reich. This was the pinnacle purpose of the camp both prior to, and during WW2. The rest of the camp's population was made up of people hailing from 30 other countries. The camps original purpose did not remain in tact, as after the prison had fallen, it was used by the allies to detain German soldiers, the majority being SS.
After the camp had been "liberated" by the USA's 45th Infantry Division (of the 7th US Army). the soldiers thought it would be a good idea to massacre the newly found prisoners of war, as well as the former prison guards. The USA allowed the former prisoners to torture and execute the former guards also. Accounts of the massacre do differ, and this thread will cover the different accounts further on.
Sparks account
Lt. Col. Felix L. Sparks stated that about 50 POW's were watched over by I company of the 45th Infantry Division. He left I company in charge while he advanced towards the centre of the Dachau concentration camp. After hearing gun shots, he ran back to the area where he stated that around 12 German soldiers had been killed by a 19 year old machine gunner. He proceeded to dismiss the gunner before replacing him with another.
Buechner account
Buechner (who was a medic during the years of WW2) had given an account to an investigator whereby he stated that around 15 German soldiers had been killed. Later however, Buechner wrote a book titled Dachau: The Hour of the Avenger: An Eyewitness Account. In this book, Buechner stated that US forces had killed 520 German soldiers, including 346 more under the command of 1st Lt. Bushyhead. This latter claim of his is questionable at best considering he did not witness the event. Furthermore, no such second shooting had been recorded.
The general consensus is that around 15 German soldiers were killed by US forces. But ask yourself, does the top picture in this thread looks like it contains 15 dead soldiers? I personally feel that the photo proves that the accounts above were either wrong or falsified. While i don't believe 866 soldiers were killed, i also do not believe that under 50 soldiers were killed.
Thank you all for reading,
Daas.
PS: To be fair, the US soldiers involved had witnessed many dead and decomposing bodies in and around the Dachau concentration camp. As such, the soldiers may had felt deep anger at the soldiers there, thus deciding to slaughter them. Regardless, this event in history is not widely known or talked about.
Sources
www.canadaatwar.ca...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
The Dachau Massacre. The Slaughter of Nazis in Death Camps During WW2.
Everyone has heard of the Holocaust, the slaughter of European Jews during the years of World War 2. One thing that is not often spoken about however are the murders of Nazi Prisoners of War during WW2. The Dachau Massacre (otherwise known as the Dachau liberation reprisals) obviously does not rival the Holocaust, but it is an event which is not widely known. It is an event which this thread will be looking at today.
Before we get started, it must be noted that this thread is in no way anti-American, even though it does focus on a specific action committed by American forces during WW2. I am merely providing information for the interested reader. Now, lets get on with it...
The Massacre in question occurred at the very first Nazi death camp, the Dachau concentration camp. The Dachau concentration camp was opened on March 22nd 1933, and was described by Heinrich Himmler as "the first concentration camp for political prisoners." It was located in the south of Germany, and was used as a prototype. One in which all other concentration camps would eventually be inspired by. The Dachau concentration camp's layout was used by all later camps of Nazi Germany.
The camp was used primarily to hold German nationals who were considered enemies of the Reich. This was the pinnacle purpose of the camp both prior to, and during WW2. The rest of the camp's population was made up of people hailing from 30 other countries. The camps original purpose did not remain in tact, as after the prison had fallen, it was used by the allies to detain German soldiers, the majority being SS.
After the camp had been "liberated" by the USA's 45th Infantry Division (of the 7th US Army). the soldiers thought it would be a good idea to massacre the newly found prisoners of war, as well as the former prison guards. The USA allowed the former prisoners to torture and execute the former guards also. Accounts of the massacre do differ, and this thread will cover the different accounts further on.
Sparks account
Lt. Col. Felix L. Sparks stated that about 50 POW's were watched over by I company of the 45th Infantry Division. He left I company in charge while he advanced towards the centre of the Dachau concentration camp. After hearing gun shots, he ran back to the area where he stated that around 12 German soldiers had been killed by a 19 year old machine gunner. He proceeded to dismiss the gunner before replacing him with another.
Buechner account
Buechner (who was a medic during the years of WW2) had given an account to an investigator whereby he stated that around 15 German soldiers had been killed. Later however, Buechner wrote a book titled Dachau: The Hour of the Avenger: An Eyewitness Account. In this book, Buechner stated that US forces had killed 520 German soldiers, including 346 more under the command of 1st Lt. Bushyhead. This latter claim of his is questionable at best considering he did not witness the event. Furthermore, no such second shooting had been recorded.
The general consensus is that around 15 German soldiers were killed by US forces. But ask yourself, does the top picture in this thread looks like it contains 15 dead soldiers? I personally feel that the photo proves that the accounts above were either wrong or falsified. While i don't believe 866 soldiers were killed, i also do not believe that under 50 soldiers were killed.
Thank you all for reading,
Daas.
PS: To be fair, the US soldiers involved had witnessed many dead and decomposing bodies in and around the Dachau concentration camp. As such, the soldiers may had felt deep anger at the soldiers there, thus deciding to slaughter them. Regardless, this event in history is not widely known or talked about.
Sources
www.canadaatwar.ca...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
reply posted on 30-12-2012 @ 06:21 AM by zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by daaskapital
To be honest, I don't know why they spared those four in your first pic.
To be honest, I don't know why they spared those four in your first pic.
reply posted on 30-12-2012 @ 06:32 AM by nake13
reply to post by daaskapital
That type of incident isn't all that surprising,considering,for example,the Malmedy massacre where 80 US POW's were murdered by members of Kampfgruppe Peiper part of the 1st SS panzer division during the Ardennes offensive.
I would guess that the US servicemen who liberated Dachau were at least aware of that incident.
Incidentally,Dachau was used by the allies to hold SS Prisoners accused of war crimes between 1945 and 1948.
That type of incident isn't all that surprising,considering,for example,the Malmedy massacre where 80 US POW's were murdered by members of Kampfgruppe Peiper part of the 1st SS panzer division during the Ardennes offensive.
I would guess that the US servicemen who liberated Dachau were at least aware of that incident.
Incidentally,Dachau was used by the allies to hold SS Prisoners accused of war crimes between 1945 and 1948.
reply posted on 30-12-2012 @ 07:01 AM by johncarter
reply to post by daaskapital
Neo-nazis posting on the ATS forum, trying to find ways to excuse the slaughter of 30 million victims in the concentration camps by making us feel sorry for these thugs and psychopathic animals being executed by russian and american troops.
Nice one.
Whats next? Some kind of sob story where we are to feel sorry for the Pol pot murderers that slaughtered over 2 million cambodians?
Neo-nazis posting on the ATS forum, trying to find ways to excuse the slaughter of 30 million victims in the concentration camps by making us feel sorry for these thugs and psychopathic animals being executed by russian and american troops.
Nice one.
Whats next? Some kind of sob story where we are to feel sorry for the Pol pot murderers that slaughtered over 2 million cambodians?
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reply posted on 30-12-2012 @ 07:06 AM by daaskapital
Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by daaskapital
Neo-nazis posting on the ATS forum, trying to find ways to excuse the slaughter of 30 million victims in the concentration camps by making us feel sorry for these thugs and psychopathic animals being executed by russian and american troops.
Nice one.
Whats next? Some kind of sob story where we are to feel sorry for the Pol pot murderers that slaughtered over 2 million cambodians?edit on 30-12-2012 by johncarter because: (no reason given)
I'm, sorry, but what?
Can't one just post an interesting piece on ATS nowadays without being labelled one thing or another? I clearly stated in the OP that the Dachau Massacre has nothing on the Jewish Holocaust.
reply posted on 30-12-2012 @ 07:06 AM by Kram09
reply to post by johncarter
Neo-nazis posting on the ATS forum, trying to find ways to excuse the slaughter of 30 million victims in the concentration camps by make us feel sorry for these animals being executed by russian and american troops.
Get over yourself. Your attitude is disgraceful, accusing members of being Neo-Nazis.
In no way has anybody in this thread tried to excuse the slaughter committed in concentration camps.
This is a historical event which some may not be aware of.
Why not discuss the topic instead of throwing out over the top knee-jerk reactionary posts like the one you did.
reply posted on 30-12-2012 @ 07:20 AM by RAY1990
reply to post by definity
Exactly apparantly Germany had this many armed servicemen
Germany had 13,600,000 people in the Army, 2,500,000 in the Air Force and 1,200,000 in the Navy, plus around 1 million SS troops.
Now if that many people are evil out of about 60 million then I guess they should have destroyed the entire german race just to be sure they don't go on a mass killing spree again, Personally I don't buy it. They followed orders just like any other soldier
Exactly apparantly Germany had this many armed servicemen
Germany had 13,600,000 people in the Army, 2,500,000 in the Air Force and 1,200,000 in the Navy, plus around 1 million SS troops.
Now if that many people are evil out of about 60 million then I guess they should have destroyed the entire german race just to be sure they don't go on a mass killing spree again, Personally I don't buy it. They followed orders just like any other soldier
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