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Fifteen-year-old battles for a woman's right to go topless anywhere a man can go topless.

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posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 05:09 AM
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We have designated nudist beaches, which are never just populated by nude people. I really do not see the problem with nudity, I mean once you have seen some boobs or a willy, well you have seen them all. So I say designated nude beaches are a go go.

As a note, have any of you seen the Buwieser(sp) advert concerning nude beaches? Very "True"




posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 05:16 AM
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Well I remember going to the beaches in Southern Maine, and the French Canadians would come down, and the guys would wear tiny speedos, which we thought was just bizarre.

Also at a camp for Easter Seals in New Hampshire, where I worked, we had a sauna. When we went for the sauna the first week that we had a Swedish girl working there for the summer, all the kids and counselors were in bathing suits, and she came in naked.

Long pause.

"Vat, yu oll vearing your clooz to sauna?" she laughed and got dressed.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:29 AM
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First, if you don't want to see naked topless women over 150lbs, then don't look. You'd be surprised how good a woman who weighs more than 150 can look naked. Muscle weights more than fat, sweetcheeks. Women can also be taller that 5"1' and 150lbs is a normal and healthy and attractive weight for many.

Second, why do you get to decide whats attractive? Some people like larger women and larger men.

Last, we need to DEMYSTIFY THE BREAST IN AMERICA. What is this obsession we have with boobs? People get worked up over seeing naked ones, freaked out by breastfeeding women, sue networks for millions for a second of nipple when the rest of the broadcast included air-humping women dressed as high school cheerleaders. C'mon. What's the harm a little nipple is going to do? Will your child REALLY be scarred by seeing a breast that he suckled for a year and a half? Men have nipples too - who cares if its male or female. Get a grip.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by taibunsuu
Well I remember going to the beaches in Southern Maine, and the French Canadians would come down, and the guys would wear tiny speedos, which we thought was just bizarre.

Also at a camp for Easter Seals in New Hampshire, where I worked, we had a sauna. When we went for the sauna the first week that we had a Swedish girl working there for the summer, all the kids and counselors were in bathing suits, and she came in naked.

Long pause.

"Vat, yu oll vearing your clooz to sauna?" she laughed and got dressed.


Interestingly, the places where people aren't so hung up on nudity and covering themselves are also the places where obsessions with weight are less common, and so seems to be obesity.

Hmm. I wonder if there is any connection with actually being more revealing leading one to care better for their bodies. Perhaps its shame, or maybe its the fact that you just see more of yourself and recognize a need for a little gym time.

I still don't get why people freak out over seeing someone elses naked body or speedo clad butt. So WHAT if someone else looks different or is showing more than you? The reaction here in the US seems to be to immediately ban and legislate. Why not just mind your own f**king business?



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by RedBalloon

Second, why do you get to decide whats attractive? Some people like larger women and larger men.


Yeah sounds like a whale hunter talking to me. Fat is not attractive. fat women, Fat men are not attractive. The obese are a drain on the economy, a flight hazard on commercial flights, and deserve to be mocked.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Yeah sounds like a whale hunter talking to me.

Nope. I prefer to date men of average weight, but I have dated men who have been larger because I liked them and had a great time with them. But that is MY preference, and should not be opposed on anyone else.



Fat is not attractive TO ME. fat women, Fat men are not attractive TO ME.


You left out some words - I have added them in the quote above in bold.



The obese are a drain on the economy, a flight hazard on commercial flights, and deserve to be mocked.


So are stupid people, sick people, smokers, drug users, elderly, children, handicapped... the common thread? PEOPLE are a drain on the economy, and can be flight hazzards. No one deserves to be mocked. Again back to the idea of minding one's own f**king business and not trying to impose their personal likes and dislikes on everyone else.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:40 AM
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RedBalloon I didn't want to quote your whole post and get in trouble for having excessive quoting
but I am in complete agreement with everything you said. Breasts are there for feeding purposes. Yes, the nudity taboo comes from religion....again, probably most of the ones spouting off about they want to see more breasts are probably church going
and yes, some men like a woman with some meat on them. It's sad that in today's society Marylyn Monroe is considered fat! This is upsetting.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by RedBalloon
Last, we need to DEMYSTIFY THE BREAST IN AMERICA. What is this obsession we have with boobs? People get worked up over seeing naked ones, freaked out by breastfeeding women, sue networks for millions for a second of nipple when the rest of the broadcast included air-humping women dressed as high school cheerleaders. C'mon.


I agree completely!! North American society is juvenile and kept juvenile by puritan values. I would go further and demistify sex itself. It would go a long way in taking the sails out of the pornography industry.

Sauron: You are correct it is perfectly legal in Ontario and if not legal then tolerated in Canada. Gwen Jacobs is the person who took this matter to court in Ontario and won. I lived in Waterloo when the case went to court and heard a lot about it since she was from Guelph just 20km away.

The effect is that topless nudity is not some taboo in Canadian society. Women can breastfeed in public and breasts are permitted on television.

Here is the background on the case Women's Top-free rights entrenched in Ontario


On December 10th, the Ontario Appeal Court reversed the 1991 conviction of Gwen Jacobs for indecency. Jacob, at the time a university student, had walked bare-breasted through the streets of Guelph in 1991 in order to protest the inequality of current law.

The appeal-court overturned her conviction because "There was nothing degrading or dehumanizing in what the appellant did. The scope of her activity was limited and was entirely non-commercial. No one who was offended was forced to continue looking at her. I cannot conclude that what the appellant did exceeded the community standard of tolerance when all of the relevant circumstances are taken into account."



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:46 AM
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Red ballon show me a case where any of the other groups you mentoned caused a flight to crash simply by being on the flight.
www.buzzle.com...
The men you mentioned were fat fine but did you go out with them because they were fat or in spite of it?
A fat man or woman on a flght next to me does affect me, have you ever had to sit in coach or business class sandwiched in between two 300 lbs fatties?
Fat people deserve to be ridiculed untill they lose weight.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

Fat people deserve to be ridiculed untill they lose weight.


That is the most bigoted, irresponsible, thing to say. Some people can't help being over weight. Some have glandular or other medical problems...what's wrong with you!? Do/did you teach your children this nonsense?


EDITED to add that this certainly shows a lot of person's character!


[edit on 10/26/2004 by LadyV]



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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I have been out with women of all sizes. Why?, because I found them all attractive. I do not just find looks to be a contributing factor to being attracted to them.

I have gone out on dates with stereotypical slim "good looking" women only to find out after spending time with them, that is nothing about them which is attractive.

On the other hand I have been out with larger good looking women and found them to be the most attractive person in the world. Attraction isn't all about looks, that belief contributes alot to the amount of divorces taking place.


Dae

posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:55 AM
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Hiya LadyV

I would like to point out that breasts are not just for feeding purposes!

Dunno about you but mine definitely have an erogenous zone



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Kriz_4
. Attraction isn't all about looks, that belief contributes alot to the amount of divorces taking place.

Exactly! It's about a connection and the what is deeper. I have knock good looking people, only to get to know them and find I see them as ugly people. I have known those considered not so attractive and gotten to know them, and saw them as a beautiful person. It's a very immature person to judge someone on their looks....if you pick you life mate that way, when they begin to age and wrinkle, are you going to trade them in for younger? If your going to live with a person, there better be something deeper than a face and body to last a while...looks fade!



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Red ballon show me a case where any of the other groups you mentoned caused a flight to crash simply by being on the flight.
www.buzzle.com...

People can cause safety hazzards by blocking isles which any person can do by being stupid, immobile, clumsy... Flights go down for stupidity all the time. Leaking oxygen containers put on board, terrorism, pilot error or drunkenness or drug abuse.



The men you mentioned were fat fine but did you go out with them because they were fat or in spite of it?

I went out with them because I liked them, and I really could care less about the weight. I could care less if people are choosing to expose more of their body regardless of weight. I personally expose or cover parts of my body that I judge to be something I want others to see or not, but I get to decide that. Not anyone else. If I feel said part is unattractive, I cover it. If someone else demands that I wear pants and not shorts because they are offended, screw them. It's not their decision to make.



A fat man or woman on a flght next to me does affect me, have you ever had to sit in coach or business class sandwiched in between two 300 lbs fatties?

Yes. I have. I delt with it and did not let it ruin my flight or day. I've also had tall people recline their seats in my lap and crush my knees. Oh well. It was over and I went on with the day and enjoyed the trip.



Fat people deserve to be ridiculed untill they lose weight.

Why does anyone deserve your ridicule? I think overweight people are quite aware of the situation and how people feel. They aren't unaware of the looks, comments, and disgust coming from others. Overweight people are probably more aware of their appearance and it's effects on others than anyone around. Your ridicule likely causes the opposite effect as people tend to care less about themselves and their bodies when depressed or hurting.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV


That is the most bigoted, irresponsible, thing to say. Some people can't help being over weight. Some have glandular or other medical problems...what's wrong with you!? Do/did you teach your children this nonsense?


EDITED to add that this certainly shows a lot of person's character!


[edit on 10/26/2004 by LadyV]


Some do (5% at best) and those deserve compassion and medical treatment. The rest are fat lazy pigs who don't have the self control to stop eating. Parents who are fat raise kids who are fat. Children in america and britain, for the first tme ever are being diagnosed with type 2 or adult onset diabetes. Know why its called adult onset? Becuase up untill 10 years ago or so it was only seen in older sedentary obese adults. Kids as young as 13 are now being diagnosed with a disease that once only affected people in thier 40-50s. Why? because instead of telling thier parents to stop stuffng thiers and thier childrens faces we say "its OK your fat we accept you"
BULLSH*T
Unless you have a glandular disorder you are fat becuase of you.
Ask yourself this ladyv why are gastrointestinal bypasses and liposuction more popular weight loss methods than exercise and dieting?
This is america you have the right to be fat and I have the right to call you a fat lazy pig.

[edit on 26-10-2004 by mwm1331]



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 11:00 AM
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I'm against this proposition for selfish monetary reasons. Accidents numbers would rise. I'm already paying WAY too much for car insurance.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Dae
Hiya LadyV

I would like to point out that breasts are not just for feeding purposes!

Dunno about you but mine definitely have an erogenous zone

Their main purpose is for feeding ones young...yes, the breast has erogenous zones....what does that have to do with people acting like fools? The back of the neck, ears, the stomach are also erogenous zones...so what's your point!?



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 11:02 AM
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Kids don't play outside much anymore, they don't walk to school much anymore, mom's not at home cooking healthy meals, and there's plenty of video games. No wonder kids are gaining weight.



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 11:02 AM
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Not getting into the obesity issue....I agree that if it's ok for a guy to do it, should also be so for a woman. Europeans have to be laughing at our shame of showing breasts....



posted on Oct, 26 2004 @ 11:04 AM
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At first I was all for this, as many men would be.

But then I read the article, saw the pictures. I got to thinking and I really don't want to see this girl or her mother topless.



Oh please Lord, NOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!




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