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Originally posted by marbles87
reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli
They will cut education for our youth this year
The Unites States Attorney General is a Cabinet member and therefore has a salary of $191,300 (as of 2008)
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
The 2013 raise for the military is 1.7%, and the military has gotten a raise every year. The pay raise in this EO is 0.5%, and it's the first one since 2010.
Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by seeker1963
most politicians start out at lower levels and work their way up to higher levels, and federal posts.
As to the cost of the campaigns, yes, they are such that it's far easier for a very wealthy candidate to win a seat.
All that being true, I still firmly believe that a reward based pay schedule might actually result in some better governing. if there was a potential $250,000,000 annual salary for the president, assuming milestones were met, you'd see people with real qualifications tackling the problems these morons are trying to tackle. You'd also eradicate the lobbyist issues as they wouldn't be able to compete with massive rewards and bonuses.
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by Crakeur
All that being true, I still firmly believe that a reward based pay schedule might actually result in some better governing. if there was a potential $250,000,000 annual salary for the president, assuming milestones were met, you'd see people with real qualifications tackling the problems these morons are trying to tackle. You'd also eradicate the lobbyist issues as they wouldn't be able to compete with massive rewards and bonuses.
I agree, a reward based system based on performance will always be more beneficial than a person getting a raised based upon how long they have held the position....
Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by miniatus
The pay raises appear to be minimal at best .. $900 per year in most cases.. as much as I want to, I can't find myself angry about this... $75 per month .. $37.50 per pay check .. before taxes mind you.. hell, perhaps this will put them in a better mood so things get done..
We have far more pressing issues than a tiny pay increase
It all adds up does it not? Do you not see they hypocracy that we are expected to sacrifice and suffer, but federal employees (whom get payed by taxpayer money) get raises? Plus when you take the number of all federal employees it adds up quick...
First, I am a Federal employee. Our pay is currently frozen (outside of promotions) so I'm not getting any pay raise. Obama asked for a 0.5% raise for Federal employees but it would be as a part of the budget talks. Obama only suggests. Congress decides if we get a raise or not.
Second: I'm a taxpayer also. I don't really care if you like or want me to get a raise. I haven not gotten on in recent years as it has been frozen since 2010. Federal workers have sacrificed plenty in the past three years so button up on that garbage. I, on the other hand, hope for the best for you out of your employment because I am not an ass with an apparent superiority complex.
We are all people and we are all working our way through life. You walk in your own shoes and get the hell out of mine. My feet are cold!
Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Originally posted by marbles87
reply to post by scorpiosin
Not to mention they all make 4 times or more than the average American wage as it is.
Hogwash. I am a professional with a Bachelor's Degree making 51k a year as a Federal employee. I could easily make 75k right now in the private sector. I chose to serve the American people. And I get a pension, so there's that...
Originally posted by guohua
reply to post by MrWendal
What exactly have they done to deserve a pay raise?
MrWendal, I really wish you would not paint all Government Employees, Current and Retired like myself with the above statement.
I worked for a Government agency for 30+ years and retired. The best part of my employment with our Government was, One, I enjoyed working for you, The American Public in the Federal Law Enforcement Field, Two, I met my wife while working for our Government, if I had been working for another private company, I can truly guaranty you, I would not have met her.
I received my statement today from the United States Office of Personnel Management to explain the reason my pay would be changed.
I am receiving a whole 1.7% pay increase.
I promise you, I earned my pay. Every one I know retired and still in the agency, Earns their pay.
I'm not upset, I'm Angry, You have No right to Point Figures at an entire Government Working Force.
Originally posted by miniatus
The pay raises appear to be minimal at best .. $900 per year in most cases.. as much as I want to, I can't find myself angry about this... $75 per month .. $37.50 per pay check .. before taxes mind you.. hell, perhaps this will put them in a better mood so things get done..
We have far more pressing issues than a tiny pay increase
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Raises have been held back for quite a while now so this really needed to happen. Some people cant take the time to see how little this really amounts to and are so hell bent on hating this adminisatartion that they will hold up anything they find to say he's a bad President. Like the person who started this thread. Apparently this is a big deal to that person. The fiscal cliff doesnt even have anything to do with this at all.
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
1.7% is a complete joke. After over 20 years in the service, my husband still makes less than the average postal worker (they average about 50K a year). We are a good bit below that.
All of the military people I know do their jobs, too. If they don't, they are in serious trouble. Why should a bunch of clowns that can't do their job, half of whom are already rich anyway, get a raise? Every single one of those is WAY above what we get, and he's got 20 years in.
Originally posted by stirling
So, the Feds get a smidge more blood money.....thats not so bad you say?
truth is this is LOTALTY MONEY>>>>HUSH MONEY>>>>PSYWAR MONEY
Think the Feds dont play mind games with their own people too?
The amount really doesnt matter.......but in preparation for the comming civil disturbance they plan to create, they want the troops to believe that at least THEIR lives are getting BETTER....that they are being taken care of....
even at the expense of everyone else in the nation.......
LOYALTY to the CORPORATION ON THE UNITED STATES is boght and paid for with your tax dollars....
And who cares of you are unemployed, in bankruptcy or even homeless.....?
You are less than a number to those who are leeching off your labour.....an expendable resource when calculated in sufficient quantity to produce and consume.Both efforts simply to produce more wealth for fewer people.
Never something to be considered on a individual basis.....
Originally posted by scrounger
reply to post by miniatus
With all due respect let me play my violin for you and you can cry me a river.
Last I checked unemployment is though the roof and unemployment insurance has been extended for people for a year or more.
The taxpayer if they have a job has (on average) been backsliding on wages for 10 years or more.
Health insurance has been cut if available at all.
Retirement is limited assuming the company has not defaulted on their pensions.
Alot of people DON'T EVEN HAVE A FULL TIME JOB and are working two or three jobs to make ends meet.
As hard as it is for you to believe alot that do have a job are doing the job of two or three people just to keep their job.
If your job is sooooooo bad and underpaid why don't you quit and find another job? I am sure there is a line around the block of people who what your job and would take it in as much time as it would to say "YES".
You do know that the government is running a deficit in the TRILLIONS and that any non-government business would have gone out of business ELIMINATING YOUR JOB?
So again tell me what makes your governmental job so much more deserving of a raise FROM TAXPAYERS with MONEY WE DON'T HAVE?
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
The mean compensation of postal workers isn't really illustrative of anything, means are easily skewed. But I'll run with it. Here are the 2012 pay tables. If your husband has 20 years and he's making less than 50k per year, he is probably an E-6 or below. The military is an up or out organization, the pay scale is not designed to encourage people to sit at a given grade forever. You will note that an E-6 with 40 years makes the same as an E-6 with 20 ... the military doesn't want to retain people at that grade after 20 years. It might be time for him to consider retiring, because he will never get a within-grade pay increase at his current rank.
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
When adding up your husband's compensation, you should also include health care, dental, vision, housing allowance, BAS, clothing allowance, tuition assistance, the GI Bills, and various other things that Federal civilian employees do not receive. I don't know your exact situation, but that can easily be worth over $10k per year, even after the servicemember separates. They don't call him Uncle Sugar for nothing.
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
And if 1.7% is a joke, what does that make 0.5%? An insult? Real pay is still less than it was when pay was frozen, so I feel kind of insulted, but I'm grateful for anything I can get.
All of the military people I know do their jobs, too. If they don't, they are in serious trouble. Why should a bunch of clowns that can't do their job, half of whom are already rich anyway, get a raise? Every single one of those is WAY above what we get, and he's got 20 years in.
Originally posted by scrounger
reply to post by zeeon
To you also I state there is not a forklift big enough to haul the stones it takes for you to think ANYONE believes, much less sympathises, with your most unbeliavable BS ridden rant.
This one quote shows your self righous ingorance.
QUOTE
"Because we're on a fixed income federal schedule, and in case you haven't been keeping up cost of living expenses have been on the rise since 2010. Most employers compensate their employees for cost of living expenses. We usually are too, but have not since 2010"
WHAT RELAITY ARE YOU LIVING IN?
Many people who work in the private sector (listen closely you delusional governmental toad) HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY COST OF LIVING RAISES.
MOST WELL BEFORE 2010 HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS.
Let me repeat MOST HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS WELL BEFORE 2008.
So By your own words up to 2010 as most workers lost their jobs, had their pay cut, lost or had health benifits cut, and lost pensions (when their companies went belly up) YOU WERE GETTING RAISES.
You self important governmental worker (or supporter whatever is true) got better than the taxpayers (AKA YOUR BOSSES) who pay YOUR SALARY.
Again I challenge you what MAKES YOU SO ABOVE THE TAXPAYER that you come here and justify you getting raises when well over 100 people would take your job in a read hot minute and not CRY ABOUT THE SALARY.
You do realise that if you worked IN A PRIVATE SECTOR JOB your employer would have gone out of business before the first 100 million (much less than 8 trillion) in debt.
Thus YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN UNEMPLOYED.
Lastly if your job is sooooooooooo bad (or the people your supporting) why do you stay there and not go for the better job you claim is out there for you?
Tell you what, why dont you get out from infrront of your keyboard and pitch your BS to a crowd of unemployed steel workers and see how far you get or what sympathy you recieve.
If you try that,,,,,,,,wear good running shoes.