Fast and Furious Afghanistan: More Illegal Weapons in The Hands of The Enemy?

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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by jimmyx
that's why there will never be peace...killing people produces jobs, and corporate profits, to the tune of 100's of billions of dollars a year.


Which corporate profits would that be?

Ours or Russia's?


Both...



costofwar.com...

Someone is making a killing off of our involvment in the ME and it's not the American taxpayers who exemplify the word "sheeple" perfectly!

War without end is the plan.




posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12

Someone is making a killing


In more ways than one.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Someone is making a killing off of our involvment in the ME and it's not the American taxpayers who exemplify the word "sheeple" perfectly!


From your source what 1 trillion divided by 12 years works out to 80 billion a year then of course there is the Russian side of the equation, and other countries, and of course the illegal trade that is financing the other side.

ETA:

The US blows more money studying cow farts, and other asinine stuff.
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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off topic post
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 04:47 PM
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Yep after the Soviets helped oust the Americans in Vietnam who was "being clandestined".

Another victim on a long and distinguished list. We were out of line there too.

Tit for Tat? Seems like it huh?



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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This is a product of capitalism, really enough said.

This war wouldn't exist without profit motives.

Arming Afghan civilians wouldn't exist without profit motives.

Yet you all still blindly worship this economic system from hell. Still keep pretending that what you call "real" capitalism would ever exist.

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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Why are you pretending like 1 trillion dollars is not a lot of money?

Yet you will harp on about foodstamp cost and medicaid. You know, programs that actually helps people and creates jobs. *SNIP*

Anyway, here since you can't seem to comprehend what the US could be spending the money on, instead of spending money to murder people.


One Day of the Iraq War = 720 Million Dollars,

How Would You Spend it?

One Day of the Iraq War = 84 New Elementary Schools

One Day of the Iraq War = 12,478 Elementary School Teachers

One Day of the Iraq War = 95,364

Head Start Places for Children

One Day of the Iraq War = 1,153,846 Children with Free School Lunches

One Day of the Iraq War = 34,904

Four-Year Scholarships for University Students

One Day of the Iraq War = 163,525 People with Health Care

One Day of the Iraq War = 423,529 Children with Health Care

One Day of the Iraq War = 6,482 Families with Homes

One Day of the Iraq War = 1,274,336 Homes with Renewable Energy


Of course it's more than 720 billion dollars now, but you get the point.
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Why are you pretending like 1 trillion dollars is not a lot of money? You surely do not have that kind of money and never will.


1 trillion over 12 years




Yet you will harp on about foodstamp cost and medicaid. You know, programs that actually helps people and creates jobs. You're the biggest shill I've ever seen on this site


Because current federal spending is 2.2 trillion dollars per year that works out to over 20 trillion for the same period of time.


Anyway the op created a thread that was headed in a different direction than American politics.

Like Rpgs in the Afghani theatre.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Please go fight the war since you cheer so hard for it. I'm sure you'll change your mind after seeing children blown to bits.

Also, 1 trillion isn't an accurate estimate. It's more like

4 trillion.



When President Barack Obama cited cost as a reason to bring troops home from Afghanistan, he referred to a $1 trillion price tag for America's wars.

Staggering as it is, that figure grossly underestimates the total cost of wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the U.S. Treasury and ignores more imposing costs yet to come, according to a study released on Wednesday.

The final bill will run at least $3.7 trillion and could reach as high as $4.4 trillion, according to the research project "Costs of War" by Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies.

In the 10 years since U.S. troops went into Afghanistan to root out the al Qaeda leaders behind the September 11, 2001, attacks, spending on the conflicts totaled $2.3 trillion to $2.7 trillion.

Those numbers will continue to soar when considering often overlooked costs such as long-term obligations to wounded veterans and projected war spending from 2012 through 2020. The estimates do not include at least $1 trillion more in interest payments coming due and many billions more in expenses that cannot be counted, according to the study.

The White House says the total amount appropriated for war-related activities of the Department of Defense, intelligence and State Department since 2001 is about $1.3 trillion, and that would rise to nearly $1.4 trillion in 2012.

Researchers with the Watson Institute say that type of accounting is common but too narrow to measure the real costs.

In human terms, 224,000 to 258,000 people have died directly from warfare, including 125,000 civilians in Iraq. Many more have died indirectly, from the loss of clean drinking water, healthcare, and nutrition. An additional 365,000 have been wounded and 7.8 million people -- equal to the combined population of Connecticut and Kentucky -- have been displaced.




Because current federal spending is 2.2 trillion dollars per year that works out to over 20 trillion for the same period of time.


No clue what you're talking about. Food stamp spending was 75 billion last year. And of course this is more than normal since we are in a recession.

And the US military budget is not proportionate to the rest of the worlds



And the budget just keeps growing






Anyway the op created a thread that was headed in a different direction than American politics.


Really? because the whole situation is caused by American politics. You can ignore the cause all you want, it doesn't change reality.

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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Do we have another situation similar to "Fast and Furious" happening in Afghanistan?


Possibly. However, It appears that Mr. Timmins has a bit of previous experience involving whistle-blowing and employment lawsuits...


[1] In 2001 Mr Timmins qualified as a meat inspector. He was employed by
ASURE and worked at the AFFCO meat works at Imlay in Wanganui. He had a
dispute with his employer about his employment status. He alleged he was a
permanent full time inspector but ASURE says he was employed as a casual worker
and able to work as a permanent seasonal meat inspector. This dispute was
apparently settled at mediation in December 2001. A settlement agreement
document was prepared.

[2] In addition, Mr Timmins raised allegations that ASURE had failed to comply
with food safety regulations and that defective meat carcasses were being exported
from New Zealand. Following mediation, he repeated these allegations to customers
of AFFCO as well as the US Department of Agriculture. He was formally dismissed
on 13 May 2002.


Timmins Judgement

EDIT: SPOILER ALERT - The court sided with the company, not Timmins
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Please go fight the war since you cheer so hard for it. I'm sure you'll change your mind after seeing children blown to bits.


Please quote that so called cheering and that so called fighting for.

News flash we are no longer in Iraq the war is "over" and we are "with drawing" from Afghanistan and children will still continue to be blown up.




How did you get so many stars? You're flat out praising the war....


Quote that to.
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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So I'm curious how Obama supporters explain Fast and Furious?



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
that's why there will never be peace...killing people produces jobs, and corporate profits, to the tune of 100's of billions of dollars a year.


Maybe healing people wil create more jobs? If you ever heard of Reiki, spiritual healing.. also psychological healing (but not needing 7 years of Uni under your belt...) There is more jobs we could create helping mankind, then there is today destroying mankind.

Research Reiki healing; these are human capabilities that are dormant because those in control want to push the level of evil, fear, deception over the giving, sharing, peace, harmonic and loving state of being on a collective scale.

Healing should be an occupation, it should be taught (it is) publicly to humanity, so we have more good then bad.. instead people are draafted and joining the military for benefits just to kill people or harm others, or as the liars ssay "protect our country" ..

sick world.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente
So I'm curious how Obama supporters explain Fast and Furious?


Same way they explain everything else the last guy's fault.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to post by neo96
 


Don't really care enough to go through your posts and find a direct statement. But your last few posts are shilling for a pro-military budget.



Right whatever because "a direct statement" doesn't exist.

And:

online.wsj.com...

Back to the topic at hand RPG's in Afghanistan.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by Zarniwoop
reply to post by Springer
 



Do we have another situation similar to "Fast and Furious" happening in Afghanistan?


Possibly. However, It appears that Mr. Timmins has a bit of previous experience involving whistle-blowing and employment lawsuits...


[1] In 2001 Mr Timmins qualified as a meat inspector. He was employed by
ASURE and worked at the AFFCO meat works at Imlay in Wanganui. He had a
dispute with his employer about his employment status. He alleged he was a
permanent full time inspector but ASURE says he was employed as a casual worker
and able to work as a permanent seasonal meat inspector. This dispute was
apparently settled at mediation in December 2001. A settlement agreement
document was prepared.

[2] In addition, Mr Timmins raised allegations that ASURE had failed to comply
with food safety regulations and that defective meat carcasses were being exported
from New Zealand. Following mediation, he repeated these allegations to customers
of AFFCO as well as the US Department of Agriculture. He was formally dismissed
on 13 May 2002.


Timmins Judgement

EDIT: SPOILER ALERT - The court sided with the company, not Timmins
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Mr Timmins could in fact be a bit of a serial employment extortionist. Albeit not a very good one.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Agreed. Based on his previous lawsuit, I'm leaning toward the bulk of his story being fabricated.





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