The True Essence Of Manhood..

reply to post by arpgme


No, masculine energy is not just a societal construct. It's a fact.

Your academic analysis of it is so far off it's hard to know where to start.

How about with evolution. The game in evolution is to pass down DNA. This is accomplished by sex.

Alpha males pass along more DNA because they have more sex. Females that are good at identifying alpha males pass on their DNA.

Society has evolved where technology has made being an alpha male less important in terms of survival, but by no means less important when it comes to mating and passing along DNA.

Are you going to argue that women's thousands of years of evolution to mate with alpha males suddenly stopped in the last hundred years? No way bro.

Just go out in the real world. The best looking women are with the alpha males. The beta males sit around watching Internet porn.

Go out in the real world and see how often being a "nice guy" puts you in the friend zone. Women want and enjoy sex just as much as men. And they are biologically predisposed to be sexually attracted to alpha males.

I've been all over the world and haven't seen anywhere that this isn't the case. Attraction is not a choice. Attraction to alpha males is an evolutionary advantage programmed into women.

It's about being a leader. I don't know of any culture where women are not attracted to leaders. Do you?

Try this experiment.

When you're out in public, say at a mall or where there are lots of people, get totally into a state of certainty, masculine energy. Then walk through the crowd. You will notice you'll never have to move out of anybody's way. People will sense your masculine energy and move out of your way every time. You will attract almost every woman, especially nowadays when so many men are nice guy, academic, metrosexuals.

Put it another way. When you see a guy with a hot girl half his age, why do you she was attracted to him? Because he was a nice guy? No, because he's alpha and he picked her to be with. Alpha males pick their women, they don't feel like women are doing them some big favor by sleeping with them. It's because they're not.

reply to post by rockoperawriter
My uncle's built 440 68 Charger. I have owned several muscle cars, not quite as nice as this one though.

I worry about some of you lot, really.
You seem to see yourselves in terms of what women will like.

Maybe the true essence of manliness (and perhaps, womanliness) is being comfortable with who you really are. Being unapologetic, being true...its called being righteous.
If you're sad, happy, angry, cool...you don't hide it, but neither do you make a big deal of it. Have the courage to simply be and to hell with whether anyone else cares, gets offended or whatever.
That's the reality of being free, not being shackled by other people's expectations.

Originally posted by CaticusMaximus

Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
Too many people in this thread are throwing around the term "Alpha Male" like it means anything to our species.

I cant help but chuckle when its mentioned... "alpha" male... each time I hear it, I think of a software program in an alpha state; infested with glitches and hang ups, buggy, needing numerous code rewrites to be optimized, unpolished with crudely implemented content, missing content as of yet to be added, and just generally in a sub-marketable state

edit on 12/27/2012 by CaticusMaximus because: (no reason given)

Oh lord. Ill will take my sub-marketable state glitches and all. Really. You sound like one of these women out here watching opra.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by rival

But what boy or man EVER wanted to be known as a "nice guy"?

Me....and I am nice guy. Though still fully feral if need be...

That is kind of my point.. But seriously.. Who would you rather be?.. Chuck Norris, The Dark Knight or The Pope?

I guess it all depends on age. As a young'un I wanted to go to Viet Nam with my brother. I wanted to kill the enemy and be a great hero. Now, at age 57, I see war as terrifying, cruel, and a way to turn decent men into cold-hearted torturers, rapists, and baby killers. We've been warring all through mankind's history. If war was a solution, then why is there still war?

S&F Interesting thread.

edit on 12/27/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)

Its a good thing you didnt go to nam knowing yourself as you do.

Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
reply to post by stonebutterfly

 

Of course your children act differently based on sex, you instilled those values in them with the gender training you and everyone in that child's life started on each of them the moment they were born. That is how gender training works.

Now here you are trying to say its all gender training and trying to tell a mother what she knows. I have 3 girls and 2 boys and they span almost 2 decades.

Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by Raelsatu

 

Let me elaberate on the "dangerous" comment..

I have never met a young man who wanted to be Mother Theresa.. But wants to be Wyatt Earp, or SpiderMan.. Not Vlad the Impailer but the guy who takes him out..

I understand what you say about balance.. But courage is the best tool any man has.. And to take that away, make him meek and mild.. Keeps us in slavery..

Maybe you never met such a young man, but that doesn't mean that such young men don't exist. They certainly do. Men can be extraordinarily complex and there is quite a range of masculine expression that you seem to be completely ignorant of. I see it right here on this board all the time. Young guys who are very different from one another, and yet just as competitive and driven as all young men are and have always been.

Some are fighters and debaters, and tangling with as many rivals as show up for the contest, while others compete in much more subtle ways - like outdoing one another in passivity and universal acceptance of that which is undeniably difficult to accept; as if their manhood is proven by their capacity for deference to that which precious few could ever be willing to allow. After all, taking a punch is just as manly as delivering one, and passivity can be just as brutal a test of manliness as any other, if engaged in as a competition or a test of one's own capacity for resilience.

In business, each man finds his own competitive measurement, and all the other men that he competes with are fully aware of the scale and determinants that exist within their finite sphere of combat. Even office drones have their battlefields, with even something as seemingly innocuous as seating around a staff meeting table serving as a bold and undeniable challenge to the status of one man relative to all other men within that theater of war. In fact, show up to another man's meeting with a "power tie" and you can expect to be confronted - in some manner or other, and eventually - for challenging that man's dominance within his pre-approved slice of community leadership. This sort of quiet warfare is waged every single day within quiet, genteel environs, with tens (sometimes hundreds) of thousands of dollars in potential and actual annual earnings hanging in the balance. If that's not aggressive and dangerous behavior, then what is it? Hell, entire corporations rise and fall over this kind of hyperassertive "manliness".

Look at the "fiscal cliff" we're getting ready to tumble over as a nation - and due exclusively to "feminized" men and their obvious inability to be anything but overtly aggressive and territorial he-men over compromise (a feminine quality) and the appearance of weakness.

I wish you were right about this, but you just aren't. We're in "slavery" because there are still plenty of men who have the need to enslave others. Not because most men aren't masculine enough to enslave as many others as they can. The sh*t rolls downhill and it always has. It's been like this for thousands and thousands of years. It's just more sophisticated and complicated now. But, don't kid yourself. It's not one tiny bit less masculine than it was when the Romans were tossing pains-in-the-ass to lions and tigers and bears (oh my) for the Coliseum entertainment of each and every guy who agreed to knuckle under to the boss just above him.

Also, keep in mind that not every guy can compete with a sword or a club or a gun, but they will find their weapon if it exists. And, if it ends up being a keyboard and a modem, and you choose to take him on, then that's what he'll use to rip your sorry ass apart in front of hundreds of giggling jackals, and your sword, or club, or gun, or whatever you have that isn't a keyboard and a modem, isn't going to do much to save you.

Men are men, and no one's been feminized by society. They've just developed a lot more ways of delivering the pain to those guys who - at one time - might've ruled the day by being bigger and stronger that everyone around them, as opposed to smarter and more resourceful and more socially adept. The masculine nature of competitiveness hasn't eased up one bit - as this board alone has proven again and again.

Originally posted by sconner755
reply to post by arpgme

 

Put it another way. When you see a guy with a hot girl half his age, why do you she was attracted to him? Because he was a nice guy? No, because he's alpha and he picked her to be with. Alpha males pick their women, they don't feel like women are doing them some big favor by sleeping with them. It's because they're not.

In the 70's, Henry Kissinger banged more hot broads than anyone, and he was anything but a strapping, physical Alpha Male. If you spend any time at all in high-end martini and cigar bars in Manhattan, you'll see the women flocking around guys who wouldn't be able to stand getting dirt on their Brunos. Total metrosexuals, and scoring all the runway models that go shopping for men in these places. And half of these guys would rather sleep with each other, so go figure...

Each theater of combat has its own rules and its own range of weaponry. Each also has its own definitions of win and loss. Humans are a lot more evolved as a species than you seem to suspect. In "better circles", if you stride through a gathering in the manner that you suggest (in the part of your post that I didn't quote), you'll be ridiculed (quietly, and behind your back) for being such an obvious idiot. And that's just how it is for men in the 21st century. Compete or die - yes, that's true. But first you need to understand what the rules of the competition are. And that you - as one guy - have no capacity to install and enforce your own set of rules - ever. Regardless of what you think or wish or read on a web forum somewhere about what you're supposed to think or wish. Reality is not what you impose. It's what you navigate.

Originally posted by NorEaster

Also, keep in mind that not every guy can compete with a sword or a club or a gun, but they will find their weapon if it exists. And, if it ends up being a keyboard and a modem, and you choose to take him on, then that's what he'll use to rip your sorry ass apart in front of hundreds of giggling jackals, and your sword, or club, or gun, or whatever you have that isn't a keyboard and a modem, isn't going to do much to save you.

Men are men, and no one's been feminized by society. They've just developed a lot more ways of delivering the pain to those guys who - at one time - might've ruled the day by being bigger and stronger that everyone around them, as opposed to smarter and more resourceful and more socially adept. The masculine nature of competitiveness hasn't eased up one bit - as this board alone has proven again and again.

Seriously? You believe that anonymously typing smart ass comments on a conspiracy forum is a masculine quality? Oooohhh.... I'm so scared.... Somebody might use big words against me. Lol

No, just the fact that you believe you can have your sorry assed ripped apart on an Internet forum is gay. No offense to gay men, many of them are very masculine. I mean gay in the colloquial sense, I.e., lame. You're not delivering pain with your intellectual wit. And the "jackals" who are laughing are like scared school kids, hiding behind "cool" avatars and screen names.

Good grief... Is this really how bad things have become. " Oooohhhh.... C'mon guys.... Lets get our iPads out and anonymously rip some asses apart on ATS. After that we can play Medal of Honor and kick some ass there too!" Lol

Really? You really think that's manly? With all the women who must be falling all over you it's a wonder you have time for ATS.

Dude, please let me help you. Posting sh!t here isn't manly. Going out in the real world and being a leader, making an impact, a difference, is. Try it. It will feel good.

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by Raelsatu

 

Let me elaberate on the "dangerous" comment..

I have never met a young man who wanted to be Mother Theresa.. But wants to be Wyatt Earp, or SpiderMan.. Not Vlad the Impailer but the guy who takes him out..

I understand what you say about balance.. But courage is the best tool any man has.. And to take that away, make him meek and mild.. Keeps us in slavery..

Men are men, and no one's been feminized by society. They've just developed a lot more ways of delivering the pain to those guys who - at one time - might've ruled the day by being bigger and stronger that everyone around them, as opposed to smarter and more resourceful and more socially adept. The masculine nature of competitiveness hasn't eased up one bit - as this board alone has proven again and again.

edit on 12/28/2012 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)

Great post. Anyway the more resourceful, smarter ect are now the bullies.

Originally posted by EvanB
modern life, killing his masculine soul

I don't agree with the thought of the modern world 'killing the masculine soul,' you can't kill a soul and you can't compare worlds with souls of a different sex.

I am a man but the spirit is bisexual. The spirit lifts the masuline from me, I am not a person seeking adventure in the phsical world, but seeking adventure in the soul.

Many people argue spirit and soul, but it takes us into a direction that I have concluded from study than not agreeing with the ability to do magic and create good things.

I see the masculine adventurous type of man 'rescuing his fair maiden' as you say, and he looks down on the world and he hates the world because he fears that someone is going to take his maiden.

That is a primal essence of man, as in the caveman days.

Originally posted by NorEaster




Each theater of combat has its own rules and its own range of weaponry. Each also has its own definitions of win and loss. Humans are a lot more evolved as a species than you seem to suspect. In "better circles", if you stride through a gathering in the manner that you suggest (in the part of your post that I didn't quote), you'll be ridiculed (quietly, and behind your back) for being such an obvious idiot. And that's just how it is for men in the 21st century. Compete or die - yes, that's true. But first you need to understand what the rules of the competition are. And that you - as one guy - have no capacity to install and enforce your own set of rules - ever. Regardless of what you think or wish or read on a web forum somewhere about what you're supposed to think or wish. Reality is not what you impose. It's what you navigate.

I dont understand why you say this. It looks like many do get into a position were they install and enforce their own rules even if only to those under them, their tools, hangers on, even good followers....those with the gold. As well it looks like the navigators are the survivors types. You are in the game and taking your place or you are navigating and traveling lite.

Originally posted by sconner755
reply to post by DoYouEvenLift

 

Ps to all the men: the fastest way to destroy attraction in a relationship is to try to appease the woman. When women kick you in the balls, which they all do at some point, it's a test. If you try to appease them you fail the test.

If you don't believe me test it for yourself.

I have tested this for myself, and you're right in some cases and dead wrong in many others.

In the mid-to-late 1990s, I was hooked up with a redhead lingerie model (natural full Cs on a 34 frame - ) for several years, and when I wasn't onstage, I was bored and waiting to be back up on stage again. She took on the task of being my games mistress and I never challenged her on anything that had to do with my time between shows. It worked out brilliantly. I was her "funnest friend" and when I say "friend" I'm not suggesting that there wasn't a full range of "benefits" involved in that "friendship".

I allowed myself to be putty in her hands and she had the softest, most delicately feminine hands on Earth. And, she loved me to death specifically for my ability to let go and enjoy her leadership in our off-duty time together. She was aggressive, and assertive and competitive and fun and she ripped Alpha Men to shreds for fun and relaxation. And she was so stunning that guys used to come up to us in nightclubs and shake my hand just to touch the hand that had run all over her body at one time or another. And they'd admit it to me, and I'd nod my head and know exactly what they were trying to say. She was a real life Jessica Rabbit, and any one of them would have surrendered their sacks to her, just to have her hands on them for the amount of time she took to crush them.

Truth is that I've run through a lot of very different women in my life, and each one of them was attracted to a very different quality within a man. And not one of them wanted a brute of a guy. None of their friends saw that macho bullsh*t as anything but sad compensation for either a small "member" or some other self-perceived failing as a man. You go ahead and sell your version of masculinity, but I have decades of proof that not all women go for a "man's man". In fact, it's kind of like how it goes with things like expensive nail jobs that many young women get - which are only really noticed by other women - manly men are generally "men's men" in a literal sense. Like guys who go to hyper-macho leather bars. I guess it takes a real man to bang another man. Definitely to impress another man. I don't know. I see no benefit in impressing another man with my manliness.

And if the other guys are out hunting and gathering, leaving me with their women to tend the fire, then I'll spend that quality time making sure my DNA makes the rounds while those idiots are out bonding over deer and hogs and whatever. After all, it's not only the strong that push their genes forward, it's also the smart.

Originally posted by sconner755

Originally posted by NorEaster

Also, keep in mind that not every guy can compete with a sword or a club or a gun, but they will find their weapon if it exists. And, if it ends up being a keyboard and a modem, and you choose to take him on, then that's what he'll use to rip your sorry ass apart in front of hundreds of giggling jackals, and your sword, or club, or gun, or whatever you have that isn't a keyboard and a modem, isn't going to do much to save you.

Men are men, and no one's been feminized by society. They've just developed a lot more ways of delivering the pain to those guys who - at one time - might've ruled the day by being bigger and stronger that everyone around them, as opposed to smarter and more resourceful and more socially adept. The masculine nature of competitiveness hasn't eased up one bit - as this board alone has proven again and again.

Seriously? You believe that anonymously typing smart ass comments on a conspiracy forum is a masculine quality? Oooohhh.... I'm so scared.... Somebody might use big words against me. Lol

No, just the fact that you believe you can have your sorry assed ripped apart on an Internet forum is gay. No offense to gay men, many of them are very masculine. I mean gay in the colloquial sense, I.e., lame. You're not delivering pain with your intellectual wit. And the "jackals" who are laughing are like scared school kids, hiding behind "cool" avatars and screen names.

Good grief... Is this really how bad things have become. " Oooohhhh.... C'mon guys.... Lets get our iPads out and anonymously rip some asses apart on ATS. After that we can play Medal of Honor and kick some ass there too!" Lol

Really? You really think that's manly? With all the women who must be falling all over you it's a wonder you have time for ATS.

Dude, please let me help you. Posting sh!t here isn't manly. Going out in the real world and being a leader, making an impact, a difference, is. Try it. It will feel good.

....and yet, look at how surprisingly defensive you've suddenly become.

Seriously. You seem panicked.

reply to post by sconner755


You contradicted your own assertions within your own post here by launching in on me within it because I disagreed with you. You totally see this thread as your territory, and I'm absolutely challenging you within the theater of combat that this thread has created. And I'll obliterate you within this theater of combat. I'll have you running off with your little mouse between your legs, but not until you've completely come unhinged at the prospect of being bested in front of however many people actually bothering to read this thread.

And I'll never break a sweat or stop laughing over all of this. And that's the way it is for men in this century. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

Originally posted by NorEaster
reply to post by sconner755

 

You contradicted your own assertions within your own post here by launching in on me within it because I disagreed with you. You totally see this thread as your territory, and I'm absolutely challenging you within the theater of combat that this thread has created. And I'll obliterate you within this theater of combat. I'll have you running off with your little mouse between your legs, but not until you've completely come unhinged at the prospect of being bested in front of however many people actually bothering to read this thread.

And I'll never break a sweat or stop laughing over all of this. And that's the way it is for men in this century. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

edit on 12/28/2012 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by NorEaster
reply to post by sconner755

 

You contradicted your own assertions within your own post here by launching in on me within it because I disagreed with you. You totally see this thread as your territory, and I'm absolutely challenging you within the theater of combat that this thread has created. And I'll obliterate you within this theater of combat. I'll have you running off with your little mouse between your legs, but not until you've completely come unhinged at the prospect of being bested in front of however many people actually bothering to read this thread.

And I'll never break a sweat or stop laughing over all of this. And that's the way it is for men in this century. And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

edit on 12/28/2012 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)

Dude, chill. This isn't a theater of battle. It's an online conspiracy forum.

And yes, sadly you exemplified the OP's point again. This IS the way many guys think they are being manly nowadays. Anonymously doing "battle" in a game where winning and losing is measured only in your own mind.

One question: Why is it important for you to declare you're going to best anybody in front of an audience of online strangers?

Originally posted by sconner755
One question: Why is it important for you to declare you're going to best anybody in front of an audience of online strangers?

For the purpose of feeding an enormous, bloated ego

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
reply to post by stonebutterfly

 

Of course your children act differently based on sex, you instilled those values in them with the gender training you and everyone in that child's life started on each of them the moment they were born. That is how gender training works.

Now here you are trying to say its all gender training and trying to tell a mother what she knows. I have 3 girls and 2 boys and they span almost 2 decades.

Bad science is bad science.

You aren't trying to imply that your anecdotal evidence on 5 children spanning 2 decades is more complete than the academic careers of thousands of scientifically minded, methodically demanding researchers in into children's development, are you? We are talking about probably hundreds of PhD level thesis on this subject a year on top of thousands of masters level papers. hundreds of thousands of pages written on this subject EVERY YEAR, with the vast majority pointing to the same conclusion. But, what does that matter, right? You have 5 kids. This also seems like nothing could possibly go wrong with your line of thinking.

Originally posted by notkmarx
reply to post by EvanB

 

sorry i didn't have time to read the entire thread so i'll just respond to OP.
let me take this from a different perspective.
from a life drawing stand point both men and women each pose masculine and feminine quality.
sometime artists exaggerate these qualities. pretty much any mainstream super hero is rocking a six pack. the women in those comics are even worse!
think what i'm saying is our society has ways of warping our perspective on how we view gender.

but before i get off topic i'll post this link i feel is relevant.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

i'm ok with what the parents are doing in this article. but it's not hard to see why they had it publicized.

That.. To me... Is a total ABOMINATION.. That poor kid will be as confused as hell wheb nature kicks in... Pfffft

reply to post by EvanB



Well the experiment in question sucks! The Nazis did a lot of bad human experimentation why reduce your kids to unneccessary lab rats? Actually lab rats have very tight control over experimentation.

What are the harmful effects? have these been considerd? What observations have been made? Are they even valid?

Actually what many do not seem to understand is that it is fun being male as it is being female. What is so wrong about that? What is wrong is that some feel or are made to feel guilty about being male?

What is is wrong with celebrating being male without denigrating being female. That is all the OP is suggesting!