WOW..

What a very rude unwelcoming person you are.
I take it debate is not available in your mind?
How many times do I have to say, I am from a culture that does not need or want Guns.
I can have an opinion. When America starts illegal wars, friends of mine die.
So your country has an impact on mine

Kindest Regards. and please, Learn some manners my friend

Shaun

See, I told you there's a lot of whacko's...

Originally posted by foodstamp

I am from Scotland, UK where Guns just don't and have never happened or been an issue.
In my humble opinion, there should be an outright ban on Guns. I don't want to get into a debate, as this is my opinion based on living in a society that has not had to deal with these death machines.
People kill, the Gun does help, is a good argument.

Never been an issue? You insinuate no firearms within Scotland?

So these EU figures are wrong?

Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Scotland is 280,0001
Compare
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in Scotland is 5.52 firearms per 100 people
Compare
Number of Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Scotland ranked at No.

In Scotland, annual firearm homicides total

2009: 211
2008: 4
2007: 8
2006: 8
2005: 8
2004: 2
2003: 3
2002: 5
2001: 3
2000: 5Compare
Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
Chart
In Scotland, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2009: 0.045
1994: 0.1912

According to these figures.. You have a moderately armed populace who practice responsibility with their firearms and respect their neighbor.

Your right, you better not get into the gun debate... 6% of your population is armed!!! Rofl...

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They didn't factor in suicide from guns there.
Average there is about 5. I have never seen, heard off or known anyone to own a gun or be shot or know anyone who knows someone who has owned a gun or been shot.

We can all throw stupid statistics.
If I was to throw American statistics at you my friend, it would be so overwhelming, In my my mind, I could not understand why you have Guns.

It must just be an American thing I don't and will never understand.
This is not a slight on anyone from America, just a cultural difference.

Regards
Shaun

Originally posted by foodstamp

WOW..

What a very rude unwelcoming person you are.
I take it debate is not available in your mind?
How many times do I have to say, I am from a culture that does not need or want Guns.
I can have an opinion. When America starts illegal wars, friends of mine die.
So your country has an impact on mine

Kindest Regards. and please, Learn some manners my friend

Shaun

See, I told you there's a lot of whacko's...

LOL
Yeah we see this on the news, jaws dropped gasping in disbelief..
Thanks xx

Originally posted by foodstamp

I am from Scotland, UK where Guns just don't and have never happened or been an issue.
In my humble opinion, there should be an outright ban on Guns. I don't want to get into a debate, as this is my opinion based on living in a society that has not had to deal with these death machines.
People kill, the Gun does help, is a good argument.

Never been an issue? You insinuate no firearms within Scotland?

So these EU figures are wrong?

Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Scotland is 280,0001
Compare
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in Scotland is 5.52 firearms per 100 people
Compare
Number of Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Scotland ranked at No.

In Scotland, annual firearm homicides total

2009: 211
2008: 4
2007: 8
2006: 8
2005: 8
2004: 2
2003: 3
2002: 5
2001: 3
2000: 5Compare
Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
Chart
In Scotland, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2009: 0.045
1994: 0.1912

According to these figures.. You have a moderately armed populace who practice responsibility with their firearms and respect their neighbor.

Your right, you better not get into the gun debate... 6% of your population is armed!!! Rofl...

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edit on 12/26/1212 by foodstamp because: (no reason given)

Also (Sorry)
These are UK numbers, I am from Scotland.
Scotland is in the UK. We have devolution and will be independent from the UK in 2 years.
So do you know (Really am asking) the numbers for my Country..
Scottish people, in the main do not say "I am from the UK/British"
lol

Thanks
x

We can all throw stupid statistics.
If I was to throw American statistics at you my friend, it would be so overwhelming, In my my mind, I could not understand why you have Guns.

It must just be an American thing I don't and will never understand.
This is not a slight on anyone from America, just a cultural difference.

Regards
Shaun

Bud, I agree with you about 95% It's the culture no doubt!

And yes, Americans are more violent...

But I came into your first post with no understanding of scotland gun rights.. By your posts it seemed as though they had a ban on all firearms. I found this to be not true.. In fact, you do have guns.. About 6% of your population does.. And that's not supid, it's fact..

Now when you say, "gun culture" I assume you mean that you don't have people that live by a slogan like "Live by the gun, die by the gun".. And I wouldn't know, so, I'll take your word for it.

So, we're left with the logical argument (one in which we agree) that culture and mindset is too blame.. Not guns..

sorry, not sharing this hypocritical trash..........

I love when people with crap loads of money, and who do whatever they want whenever they want......many times getting out of crimes that we would be locked up for.......

Presume to tell me to give up MY rights.............

Sorry, while youre busy living above the law, the rest of us still have to take care of ourselves and each other.........

And my guns arent going anywhere..........

Originally posted by foodstamp

We can all throw stupid statistics.
If I was to throw American statistics at you my friend, it would be so overwhelming, In my my mind, I could not understand why you have Guns.

It must just be an American thing I don't and will never understand.
This is not a slight on anyone from America, just a cultural difference.

Regards
Shaun

Bud, I agree with you about 95% It's the culture no doubt!

And yes, Americans are more violent...

But I came into your first post with no understanding of scotland gun rights.. By your posts it seemed as though they had a ban on all firearms. I found this to be not true.. In fact, you do have guns.. About 6% of your population does.. And that's not supid, it's fact..

Now when you say, "gun culture" I assume you mean that you don't have people that live by a slogan like "Live by the gun, die by the gun".. And I wouldn't know, so, I'll take your word for it.

So, we're left with the logical argument (one in which we agree) that culture and mindset is too blame.. Not guns..

Gun's are used in Scotland mainly for hunting.
I don't own a gun, I don't know anyone that owns a gun.
Does cap gun count? As my Father uses it to kill seagulls who try and eat his pets (He lives on a farm)
It really is not an issue here. 6% does surprise me, if that is JUST Scotland, and not the UK.

Shaun x

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
sorry, not sharing this hypocritical trash..........

I love when people with crap loads of money, and who do whatever they want whenever they want......many times getting out of crimes that we would be locked up for.......

Presume to tell me to give up MY rights.............

Sorry, while youre busy living above the law, the rest of us still have to take care of ourselves and each other.........

And my guns arent going anywhere..........

This is the bit I don't fully understand.
And please, I don't want an argument, more a debate to teach me?
You say it is your right. What if that right was taken away, and less kids died?
Would you be happy. I am really only asking a question here

Thanks

Gun's are used in Scotland mainly for hunting.
I don't own a gun, I don't know anyone that owns a gun.
Does cap gun count? As my Father uses it to kill seagulls who try and eat his pets (He lives on a farm)
It really is not an issue here. 6% does surprise me, if that is JUST Scotland, and not the UK.

Shaun x

Yes, those are your numbers.. However...Perhaps all the bloodshed your country has seen is the reason why peopleactually respect the damn guns they got..

We here in the Us tend to obsess and glorify death... And in the last 200 years or so, I think we've really forgot what it's like to see some REAL death and destruction...

So people around here. They find innocent people..Usually women or men that are by themselves. Then they rob them and shoot them for no witnesses... Sometimes they just shoot people to hear the pop.. Sometimes, It's cause you got Nike's on and your on the "Westside"...

Overall we really kill for no reason other than to kill knowing we can't be killed back...

And that, my friend is why we need guns here... The majority of people killing are NOT ready to die... Everywhere you go in the US you will find lesser gun crime where law abiding citizens have more guns.... Although that claim is not 100%, it is a statistical FACT that my claim is MOSTLY true... Where there are more guns, there is LESS crime... It just is.... I can only speculate why... Again perhaps it's our obsession with death...

Take your video for example...Almost every one of those celebs has been in a hard hitting action movie that has glorified the latest gun and death death DEATH... It must really look strange to the outsider.

This is the bit I don't fully understand.
And please, I don't want an argument, more a debate to teach me?
You say it is your right. What if that right was taken away, and less kids died?
Would you be happy. I am really only asking a question here

Thanks

It's impossible bud...Because if you took the guns away....You got about 75 million people just like him that will die for that right...

that question is really irrelevant... I know it seems to make sense to you. I understand your angle... But your not understanding his... You dig?