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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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I want to do more than just end suffering. I want to be spiritually enriched. I want to be so endowed that I can read minds and know the future. I want to see through people's immediate problems and have more to offer than an existential cure all. Although what you are saying is at the crux of it all, I still believe there is decisions to be made. Decisions can either be selfish or selfless. It is my view that we have to actively decide which desires to pursue.




posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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And all this should be done presently. Not as a plan to do.
Be present with what is present. Your presence is the greatest gift. When we plan to care for others we do so hoping it will make our life better (and others). But presence is always present.
When we require nothing more, only then, will we be completely open for communication (coming together as one). When we stop trying to do it right and just be present with what is present - the present takes care of itself.

The human condition is to 'try' to fit in. The trying is what prevents ease.
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One problem I have with this is, you consider this to be the right way to act, or at least right for you and ideal for you. But doesn't getting into this mindset require the effort you are speaking against? Being with what is here is great, and feels and looks great, but I still have to put forth effort to do so. It takes effort for me to quiet my mind and be in the now.


There is no 'acting' involved. No 'acting' - no 'reacting'. When you are present with no need for anything at all, why does one need to act - one is.
The one that wants is the 'seeker' and it whispers in your ear that there is more to be gained, it is lying. This is it - this is all there is. Do not be decieved by promises of more.

The mind does not have to be made quiet - who would be doing it anyway, the mind? Shut up mind!! No you shut up mind!! Lol.
The one that can hear the mind is silent already. The mind is the noise and the awareness of the noise is silent and peaceful.
edit on 26-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


No.

The spirit is in the silence, but the mind has to stop its own mental chaos to get there.

You can't just sit in stillness all day. Let's be realistic.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
No.

The spirit is in the silence, but the mind has to stop its own mental chaos to get there.

You can't just sit in stillness all day. Let's be realistic.


The mind is the noise. How can the mind stop itself? Why would it? The stillness is always there beneath the noise. The mind is just part of the display, it is all like a firework display, all that is seen (scene). You are like the sky on which the display plays.
I am being completely realistic. The silence, the stillness is always present and finding it is heaven.
Watching the play of existence, nothing stops but the fear and the confusion. When the fear and confusion stop there will be love and understanding.
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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Sure we can make our self silent and doing so separate our mind between an observing state of silence and the otehr noise. What makes us up however is more than this. We are also emotions and they themselves are a body form which interacts with the world. This is not black and white scenario we are composed of silence, noise, emotions, and reason. They all need to be balanced.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Sure we can make our self silent and doing so separate our mind between an observing state of silence and the otehr noise. What makes us up however is more than this. We are also emotions and they themselves are a body form which interacts with the world. This is not black and white scenario we are composed of silence, noise, emotions, and reason. They all need to be balanced.


You say that you can make yourself silent? Have you tried?
Have you succeeded?
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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You say that you can make yourself silent? Have you tried?
Have you succeeded?


There is no absolute state. Thoughts can be quietened not completely silent in a conscious awake state.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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You say that you can make yourself silent? Have you tried?
Have you succeeded?


There is no absolute state. Thoughts can be quietened not completely silent in a conscious awake state.


It is impossible to silence the mind. But it is not impossible to recognize yourself as the silence that contains the mind.
What is the mind but a thought appearing? What sees the appearance?
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb
No.

The spirit is in the silence, but the mind has to stop its own mental chaos to get there.

You can't just sit in stillness all day. Let's be realistic.


The mind is the noise. How can the mind stop itself? Why would it? The stillness is always there beneath the noise. The mind is just part of the display, it is all like a firework display, all that is seen (scene). You are like the sky on which the display plays.
I am being completely realistic. The silence, the stillness is always present and finding it is heaven.
Watching the play of existence, nothing stops but the fear and the confusion. When the fear and confusion stop there will be love and understanding.
edit on 26-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


Oh okay. This makes sense.

But still. You still have control over yourself, and what you do and what you believe. Should you not exercise this control?



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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What sees the appearance?



This is my point and where your not getting it. The appearance can be viewed with the conceptual mind or it can be an experience of emotion. Your description of the self lacks life, its stale and pale.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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The one looking out is the one in the silence. The thoughts are there as noise and imagery, but they are fleeting and the one watching cannot be found in them. When you get to the place that watches the mind as well as the 'outer world', you are at the place that is in full control of your life and it's direction. Simply existing and being is not enough. Action is necessary. Now that you are aware of what is aware, you can choose, in full, how you interact with the world. You can choose how much life you want to experience. You can see you self in others and share your presence with them. In this place, you control the quality of your experience. And it can be as divine or otherworldly as you can will yourself to see it, provided you remain in the silence of your awareness.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:28 AM
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The one looking out is the one in the silence. The thoughts are there as noise and imagery, but they are fleeting and the one watching cannot be found in them. When you get to the place that watches the mind as well as the 'outer world', you are at the place that is in full control of your life and it's direction. Simply existing and being is not enough. Action is necessary. Now that you are aware of what is aware, you can choose, in full, how you interact with the world. You can choose how much life you want to experience. You can see you self in others and share your presence with them. In this place, you control the quality of your experience. And it can be as divine or otherworldly as you can will yourself to see it, provided you remain in the silence of your awareness.


Precisely as articulate as one could explain it. Its clear to understand.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Oh okay. This makes sense.

But still. You still have control over yourself, and what you do and what you believe. Should you not exercise this control?


No control is needed. Who can control the present. The idea is that the future can be controlled.
No one is doing the present moment.

Everyone is trying to be and in doing so become human doings.
You have to do nothing to be.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:30 AM
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No control is needed. Who can control the present.


You still dont see it. Ill use the analogy of the surfer on wave. He doesnt control wave but he controls his actions to best mold his experience and interaction with the wave for the duration of his transit on it.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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The 'control' is effort and seeking.
Being is searching for itself in an illusionary world of it's own making so it can hide, it imagines 'other' and hides behind it. It's the game of hide and seek.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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The 'control' is effort and seeking.
Being is searching for itself in an illusionary world of it's own making so it can hide, it imagines 'other' and hides behind it. It's the game of hide and seek.


But it was designed this way for a reason. It's not trying to hide, it's trying to enjoy it or learn about it. Hiding is fear. It's not trying to hide.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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The 'control' is effort and seeking.
Being is searching for itself in an illusionary world of it's own making so it can hide, it imagines 'other' and hides behind it. It's the game of hide and seek.


But it was designed this way for a reason. It's not trying to hide, it's trying to enjoy it or learn about it. Hiding is fear. It's not trying to hide.


Yes, it's the game of hide and seek. There is only one playing so it has to be cleverly designed or the game will be up. It's just a game, it's a really good joke.

It's only funny when you get it.

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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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It's just a game, it's a really good joke.
It's only funny when you get it.


Gladiator sports are also referred to as a game but a person can still die in them. The true balance is a point where a person becomes free but without losing feeling.
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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No control is needed. Who can control the present.


You still dont see it. Ill use the analogy of the surfer on wave. He doesnt control wave but he controls his actions to best mold his experience and interaction with the wave for the duration of his transit on it.


And such is the relationship between surfer and wave. Compassion can be had for the wave. Listen to the wave. What is it telling you? It's a cooperative relationship. The wave will keep the surfer afloat and guide him along as long as he is considerate of the wave. It would be foolish for the surfer to think that he can just do what he wants in order to achieve the desired goal. He must obey the rules of that experience. One wrong move, and he's out. One wrong move by the wave, and he's out.

There is action through a deliberate focus of attention from awareness. A choice is made by the surfer. More choices than "surf" are made. Although the actions are almost automatic after that, the rules had to be learned. The actions had to be learned, and that took work and some choices along the way.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:54 AM
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And such is the relationship between surfer and wave. Compassion can be had for the wave. Listen to the wave. What is it telling you? It's a cooperative relationship. The wave will keep the surfer afloat and guide him along as long as he is considerate of the wave. It would be foolish for the surfer to think that he can just do what he wants in order to achieve the desired goal. He must obey the rules of that experience. One wrong move, and he's out. One wrong move by the wave, and he's out.

There is action through a deliberate focus of attention from awareness. A choice is made by the surfer. More choices than "surf" are made. Although the actions are almost automatic after that, the rules had to be learned. The actions had to be learned, and that took work and some choices along the way.



Your explanation as always is very eloquent. The wave is telling me im apart of its experience and it will be a good experience on the condition i respect it.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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Talking of surfing - here is a very short clip (1.31) by Peter Brown where uses the surfing analogy.
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