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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Really? I ran across this bit:


Paying tithes is Biblical.


Originally posted by adjensen

And you accuse the Catholics of selling salvation?


Can you post where I have said that?


Originally posted by adjensen

You're in a cult. Wake up before it's too late.


I actually think the catholic church and protestant churches have more in common with cults than the Church.

Look at all of the death, lies, cover ups, and priests having there fun with the children that goes on in the catholic church.




posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Really? I ran across this bit:


Paying tithes is Biblical.


So is not paying tithes.

Demanding to be paid a "big paycheck" before you'll associate with someone doesn't seem too Biblical to me. Of course, very little that Reckart teaches seems to be particularly Biblical, either, so there you go.


I actually think the catholic church and protestant churches have more in common with cults than the Church.

Oh, we've been down that road before -- when I posted you a list of signs of a cult which corresponded to your "true church" you used a Scientology web site to defend it


You're in a cult. Wake up.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

So is not paying tithes.


Incorrect.


Originally posted by adjensen

Demanding to be paid a "big paycheck" before you'll associate with someone doesn't seem too Biblical to me.


I think that you want to condemn him so bad that you are not understanding what he is really saying. He is speaking of not being associated with non-tithes payers. Pastor Reckart associated with me years before I sent him any donation. That money went to feed and clothe the poor and it was my idea to send it, not his.


Originally posted by adjensen

Of course, very little that Reckart teaches seems to be particularly Biblical, either, so there you go.


That is because you think what your cult like pope tells you the Bible teaches is Biblical.


Originally posted by adjensen

Oh, we've been down that road before -- when I posted you a list of signs of a cult which corresponded to your "true church" you used a Scientology web site to defend it


It does not surprise me that you support a criminal since many of your church leaders are also criminals.


Originally posted by adjensen

You're in a cult. Wake up.


I think you might have a demon.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

So is not paying tithes.


Incorrect.

So you think that Jesus taught salvation by works then?

The New Testament encourages giving, it doesn't require living by the law of the Israelites, including tithing.

The only two groups that I've heard that require tithing in order to be saved are your cult and the Mormons, so I guess you're in pretty good company.



Demanding to be paid a "big paycheck" before you'll associate with someone doesn't seem too Biblical to me.


I think that you want to condemn him so bad that you are not understanding what he is really saying. He is speaking of not being associated with non-tithes payers.

Yes, I know that he's speaking of not associated with people who don't pay a tithe -- it's right there in black and white. Learn to read -- what Reckart has written there is not only non-Biblical, it's reprehensible.

But you're brainwashed and in a cult, I shouldn't expect much more than blind obedience to the leader, I suppose.

Wake up.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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I practise it based on those origins.

And it means a lot when Christians are going around still trying to convert people. When they are still going around calling pagans devil worshippers, yet blatantly using pagan practises.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

So you think that Jesus taught salvation by works then?


Faith cannot be separated from works.


Originally posted by adjensen

The New Testament encourages giving, it doesn't require living by the law of the Israelites, including tithing.


The New Testament teaches walking by faith. Tithing is part of that and is necessary for the Church to operate.


Originally posted by adjensen

The only two groups that I've heard that require tithing in order to be saved are your cult and the Mormons, so I guess you're in pretty good company.


We are nothing like the Mormons. You don't seem to understand the connection between faith and works.


Originally posted by adjensen

But you're brainwashed and in a cult, I shouldn't expect much more than blind obedience to the leader, I suppose.


I am not brainwashed, in a cult, or have blind obedience to anyone.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by truejew
I am not brainwashed, in a cult, or have blind obedience to anyone.

Despite numerous examples of your leader doing questionable things, even mildly questionable things, you have not only toed the party line, never saying even one remotely negative thing about him or his actions, but you've deliberately lied to defend his actions.
  • You previously claimed that only students received diplomas from Reckart
  • You claimed that accredited schools that give honorary degrees is "the same thing" as Reckart selling unaccredited Doctorates in Theology for $1,300
  • You said that my disagreements with Reckart and his actions was due to hatred, when I've never said anything of the sort
  • You claimed that the "Apostolic Friend Network", or whatever it was, wasn't Apostolic because they said derogatory things about Reckart
That's just off the top of my head, there may have been others.

Those are all open, bald faced lies. They're not misunderstandings or differences of opinion, they are lies. But you don't see them as lies, or you think it's okay to say them, because they are in defense of Reckart.

Of course you don't think you're brainwashed or in a cult, because you're brainwashed. You think Reckart is right as rain, when, to everyone who isn't brainwashed and in his cult, he's clearly wrong, manipulative and, according to some accounts (not mine, just repeating what others have said,) downright evil. That comes down to "either the whole world is nuts, or I am," and a rational thinker would realize that, at the very least, some serious introspection would be in order.

Wake up.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Despite numerous examples of your leader doing questionable things, even mildly questionable things, you have not only toed the party line, never saying even one remotely negative thing about him or his actions, but you've deliberately lied to defend his actions.


You never have provided evidence that Pastor Reckart is giving honorary diplomas without standards. I won't attack someone without proof. I don't act like a pharisee, which is what you are doing.


Originally posted by adjensen

  • You previously claimed that only students received diplomas from Reckart


As I said before, I was not aware of that page at the time.


Originally posted by adjensen

  • You claimed that accredited schools that give honorary degrees is "the same thing" as Reckart selling unaccredited Doctorates in Theology for $1,300


  • The degree is an honorary doctorate, not a doctorate and yes... The University of Berkley, an accredited school, gives an honorary doctorate for a min. of $2,000.


    Originally posted by adjensen

  • You said that my disagreements with Reckart and his actions was due to hatred, when I've never said anything of the sort


  • Yes, you hate those who teach one God. It is very obvious from your posts. Your church does too. They are even guilty of burning some at the stake.


    Originally posted by adjensen

  • You claimed that the "Apostolic Friend Network", or whatever it was, wasn't Apostolic because they said derogatory things about ReckartThat's just off the top of my head, there may have been others.


  • Incorrect. They are not Apostolic because they do not stand for the teachings of the apostles.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Those are all open, bald faced lies.


    I have not lied.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Of course you don't think you're brainwashed or in a cult, because you're brainwashed.


    You really have things twisted. I don't think I am brainwashed because I am not brainwashed.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    You think Reckart is right as rain, when, to everyone who isn't brainwashed and in his cult, he's clearly wrong, manipulative and, according to some accounts (not mine, just repeating what others have said,) downright evil. That comes down to "either the whole world is nuts, or I am," and a rational thinker would realize that, at the very least, some serious introspection would be in order.


    I do not agree with Pastor Reckart on all things, but disagreement is on non-salvational issues. I do not bring those up though in order to keep unity in the Church.

    When will you stop your attacks on a good man and start teaching against the many sins of your priests?



    posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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    Originally posted by truejew
    When will you stop your attacks on a good man and start teaching against the many sins of your priests?

    Show me a good man and I'll stop attacking him, lol.

    No one but you claims that Reckart is anything but a cult leader. Given that you've shown nothing but signs of indoctrination and brainwashing, I think I'll take the words of those who don't see Reckart with a positive eye.

    The "many sins of my priests"?

    My priests? What are you talking about?

    You're brainwashed and delusional. Wake up.



    posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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    Originally posted by adjensen

    No one but you claims that Reckart is anything but a cult leader.


    Not true.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Given that you've shown nothing but signs of indoctrination and brainwashing, I think I'll take the words of those who don't see Reckart with a positive eye.


    I am thinking that you have been brain washed if you are blind to your priests and the children.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    The "many sins of my priests"?


    Yes, what they do to children, the killings, the wars, and more are sins.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    You're brainwashed and delusional. Wake up.


    My sins and robe have been washed in the blood, but my brain isn't washed as you say.

    Revelation 1:5-6 (KJV)
    5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    Revelation 7:14-15 (KJV)
    14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.



    posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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    Originally posted by truejew

    Originally posted by adjensen

    No one but you claims that Reckart is anything but a cult leader.


    Not true.

    Well, I've yet to see anyone who's not a part of the "true church" say otherwise. And obviously one wouldn't expect the brainwashed to say that their leader is running a cult.



    The "many sins of my priests"?


    Yes, what they do to children, the killings, the wars, and more are sins.

    Again, "my priests"? Am I to be charged with the acts of everyone in the world?

    You're defending the immoral acts of a cult leader. When you see me defending pedophilia or religious wars, then you've something to say against me.

    Until then, lose the arrogance and elitism and wake up. Your pastor is a money grubbing fraud -- you are not saved by doctrine, but you can certainly be condemned for it.



    posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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    Originally posted by adjensen

    Well, I've yet to see anyone who's not a part of the "true church" say otherwise.


    Probably because they hate the Church and will say anything to bring it down.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    And obviously one wouldn't expect the brainwashed to say that their leader is running a cult.


    Again, you are falsely accusing. I am not brainwashed and I am not in a cult. Again, we do not have a single leader like your church. Pastor Reckart is not our pope, he is one person in the five-fold ministry.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Again, "my priests"? Am I to be charged with the acts of everyone in the world?


    2 John 1:10-11 (KJV)
    10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    By being part of their church, you become a partaker of their evil deeds.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    You're defending the immoral acts of a cult leader.


    I am not. However, you are defending a church built on killings, wars, destroying the lives of children, greed, cover ups, and more.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Until then, lose the arrogance and elitism and wake up.


    There is no arrogance with me. As of elitism, the Church is the elect of God.

    You should really lose the anger before it turns to weeping and gnashing.
    edit on 29-12-2012 by truejew because: (no reason given)



    posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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    Originally posted by truejew

    Originally posted by adjensen

    Well, I've yet to see anyone who's not a part of the "true church" say otherwise.


    Probably because they hate the Church and will say anything to bring it down.

    Doubtful. It will come down of its own accord once your leader either kicks the bucket or does something that even the most feeble minded will realize is wrong.


    Pastor Reckart is not our pope, he is one person in the five-fold ministry.

    Why is his name all over everything, then? Apart from you, "Sister Reckart" and Reckart himself, I can't seem to find anyone that's associated with this "true church". Like I said, I did some digging to try and figure out if his college has legitimate on-campus students (apparently not) and couldn't even find anyone who was supposed to teach there.


    By being part of their church, you become a partaker of their evil deeds.

    Um, no. That's an idiotic interpretation of scripture. I know no priests who have committed these acts, and have never defended those who have, so saying that I'm guilty simply because I belong to the same worldwide organization is irrational.

    You, on the other hand, are just as guilty of lying as Reckart is, since you defend his unethical actions, quite a different thing.


    There is no arrogance with me.

    As I told you earlier, your claim to be the "True Jew" is wrong on both accounts and is an affront to God and his chosen people. You aren't Jewish, so claiming to be a better Jew than they are is both arrogant and wrong.

    Face facts - you're in a cult that you've been brainwashed to defend the immoral acts of, and you, personally, live a life that is contrary to Biblical teaching.

    Wake up.



    posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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    Originally posted by adjensen

    You, on the other hand, are just as guilty of lying as Reckart is, since you defend his unethical actions, quite a different thing.


    Again, post proof of either one of us lying. Accusing people without the proof to back it up is what the Pharisees did to Jesus.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    As I told you earlier, your claim to be the "True Jew"


    Not 100% correct. I claim to be a true Jew, not the true Jew.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    is wrong on both accounts and is an affront to God and his chosen people. You aren't Jewish, so claiming to be a better Jew than they are is both arrogant and wrong.


    God's only chosen people are those who follow Christ.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Face facts - you're in a cult that you've been brainwashed to defend the immoral acts of, and you, personally, live a life that is contrary to Biblical teaching.


    You've been brainwashed to defend the sins of your church and attack the real Church.
    edit on 29-12-2012 by truejew because: (no reason given)



    posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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    Originally posted by truejew

    Originally posted by adjensen

    You, on the other hand, are just as guilty of lying as Reckart is, since you defend his unethical actions, quite a different thing.


    Again, post proof of either one of us lying. Accusing people without the proof to back it up is what the Pharisees did to Jesus.

    You lied when you claimed that Notre Dame offering honorary degrees is the same thing as Reckart selling them for $1,300 and Reckart lies every time he hands one out. See "Diploma Mill". You lied when you claimed that only real students got degrees. And you lied when you said that I hate Reckart. Oh, and you lied when you implied that I support pedophile priests.


    Not 100% correct. I claim to be a true Jew, not the true Jew.

    You apparently do not realize that to be Jewish is an ethnic thing, not a religious one. By Orthodox Judaism, if your mother is not a Jew, you are not a Jew.

    How are you a Jew?


    God's only chosen people are those who follow Christ.

    Wrong. Per Christ's words, God's covenant with his chosen people, the Israelites, still exists and will always exist. Christ brought a new covenant, but he did not cancel the old law.


    You've been brainwashed to defend the sins of your church and attack the real Church.

    The "real" church is not run by someone in Florida who rejects the teaching of Christ, demands money for salvation, and brainwashes his followers.

    You're in a cult, by every definition of the term. Wake up.



    posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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    Originally posted by adjensen

    You lied when you claimed that Notre Dame offering honorary degrees is the same thing as Reckart selling them for $1,300 and Reckart lies every time he hands one out.


    Again, both Notre Dame and ATBC honorary degrees are given out according to set standards. If it is the money that is bothering you, check out the University of Berkley, an accredited school, that gives one for a min. of $2,000. Neither Pastor Reckart, nor myself is lying.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    You lied when you claimed that only real students got degrees.


    Again, I did not know about the honorary degree program at the time I said that. I was not lying to you.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    And you lied when you said that I hate Reckart.


    Why else would you attack someone like this without having proof?


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Oh, and you lied when you implied that I support pedophile priests.


    1 Corinthians 5:6-7 (KJV)
    6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

    Your whole church is leavened and you support your church.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    You apparently do not realize that to be Jewish is an ethnic thing, not a religious one. By Orthodox Judaism, if your mother is not a Jew, you are not a Jew.


    The Bible says you are incorrect.

    Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)
    28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Galatians 3:29 (KJV)
    29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    How are you a Jew?


    Through the new birth which is through faith.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Wrong. Per Christ's words, God's covenant with his chosen people, the Israelites, still exists and will always exist. Christ brought a new covenant, but he did not cancel the old law.


    John 14:6-7 (KJV)
    6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    The "real" church is not run by someone in Florida who rejects the teaching of Christ, demands money for salvation, and brainwashes his followers.


    Pastor Reckart does not "run" the real Church. He is just one of the ministers. He does not reject the teaching of Christ. He does not "demand" money for salvation. He does not brainwash his followers.



    posted on Dec, 30 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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    Originally posted by truejew

    Originally posted by adjensen

    You lied when you claimed that Notre Dame offering honorary degrees is the same thing as Reckart selling them for $1,300 and Reckart lies every time he hands one out.


    Again, both Notre Dame and ATBC honorary degrees are given out according to set standards. If it is the money that is bothering you, check out the University of Berkley, an accredited school, that gives one for a min. of $2,000. Neither Pastor Reckart, nor myself is lying.

    Are you serious? "The University of Berkley"? Another joke institution to go with your cult leader's joke institution.


    5. Diploma mills: Lots of online universities, many with impressive-sounding names, are luring students with offers of credit for "life experience" and cheap degrees. But beware: Sometimes, you get what you pay for. A cheap diploma from "The University of Berkley" won't get you the job, salary, or recognition that comes from a real degree from the University of California-Berkeley. The FTC, Department of Education, and several state agencies, such as this one in Oregon, can help students avoid paying for degrees that other schools and employers won't recognize. (Source)

    "The University of Berkley" is neither the University of California-Berkley, nor the University of Berklee in New York. It's a scam, just like your buddy's.



    And you lied when you said that I hate Reckart.


    Why else would you attack someone like this without having proof?

    First, I have proof, and second, that's not a valid assumption.

    I don't know Reckart, apart from what I've seen online. I don't hate him, so you're a liar.



    How are you a Jew?


    Through the new birth which is through faith.

    Yeah, that doesn't make you Jewish. And you misused the Biblical quotes, which are intended to justify salvation to non-Jews.


    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    What does that have to do with you lying about being Jewish?


    Pastor Reckart does not "run" the real Church. He is just one of the ministers.

    Who are the other ministers, then? Like I said, when you look into his "church", all that comes back is him.


    He does not reject the teaching of Christ.

    As Christ admonishes against phony titles to gain prestige and Reckart explicitly does this, he clearly rejects the teachings of Christ.


    He does not "demand" money for salvation.

    Oh, I think that idiotic blog post of his, condemning anyone who didn't give him his "large paycheck", rather refutes that.


    He does not brainwash his followers.

    Says the man who is clearly brainwashed.

    Wake up. You need to reject this charlatan.



    posted on Dec, 30 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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    I am done being interrogated by you. I will give you no more teachings. You are very mean, full of hate, and a Pharisee.

    Matthew 7:6-7 (KJV)
    6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    You will be lifted up in your pride after this post, but will soon fall.



    posted on Dec, 30 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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    Originally posted by truejew
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    I will give you no more teachings.

    What teachings? All I've seen out of you is lies, excuses and ignorance.


    You are very mean, full of hate, and a Pharisee.

    Lies such as this... I am neither mean, full of hate or a Pharisee. I'm trying to rouse you out of your sleep for your own good. You're in a cult, you've been brainwashed, and your only hope is to wake up before it's too late.



    posted on Dec, 30 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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    What teachings? All I've seen out of you is lies, excuses and ignorance.


    Another lie from you.


    Originally posted by adjensen

    Lies such as this... I am neither mean, full of hate or a Pharisee. I'm trying to rouse you out of your sleep for your own good. You're in a cult, you've been brainwashed, and your only hope is to wake up before it's too late.


    When you falsely accuse others while you have a beam in your eye, you are just like the Pharisees. If anything your attacks have pushed me further away from your Pharisee club.





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