posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 03:07 AM
Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to post by hawkiye
The workers controls the means of production in a socialist system.
The system you're talking about is state capitalism, which is nothing like a socialist system, it is the complete anti-thesis. You really have no clue
what you are talking about. There are still plenty of privately owned corporations/businesses in the USA.
Here we go again where do you people keep coming from with this nonsense redefining terms socialism/communism/fascism are all the same coin with
emphasis on different aspects... Sigh! I'll just post what I just got through smacking down one of your wannabe commie comrades with to end this
nonsense here and now
Definition of SOCIALISM
of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of
production and distribution of goods
a : a system of society or group living in which there is NO PRIVATE PROPERTY
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and
pay according to work done www.merriam-webster.com...
So we see it is ANY system that is COLLECTIVE or GOVERNMENT control of the means of production. Not the Romantic BS you have been fed about a
glorious worker controlled utopia that has been sold for centuries but never been accomplished in the history of the world and always ended up in
totalitarian tyranny and destruction...
As an economic system, fascism "IS" socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power:
a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s),..
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism
sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so
implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.
(Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of
market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set
all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than
consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions...
The fascist leaders’ antagonism to communism has been misinterpreted as an affinity for capitalism. In fact, fascists’ anticommunism was motivated
by a belief that in the collectivist milieu of early-twentieth-century Europe, communism was its closest rival for people’s allegiance. As with
communism, under fascism, every citizen was regarded as an employee and tenant of the totalitarian, party-dominated state. Consequently, it was the
state’s prerogative to use force, or the threat of it, to suppress even peaceful opposition...
Hitler’s regime eliminated small corporations and made membership in cartels mandatory.1 The Reich Economic Chamber was at the top of a complicated
bureaucracy comprising nearly two hundred organizations organized along industry, commercial, and craft lines, as well as several national councils.
The Labor Front, an extension of the Nazi Party, directed all labor matters, including wages and assignment of workers to particular jobs. Labor
conscription was inaugurated in 1938...
Now tell me whats the difference between the corporate bought politicans and Hitlers regime? Not much they both have used government to eliminate
small business and made it mandatory to become politically connected to be able to survive the massive bureaucracy they have created to control and
regulate the means of production! We do not have capitalism in America we have fascist socialism!
This is how they redistribute the wealth to themselves. Redistribution of wealth to those who did not earn it whether government or civilians is
theft nothing more... Stop repeating commie BS propaganda and learn some real history!
edit on 25-12-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)