Senseless gun violence spreading, 4 firefighters shot in NY

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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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edition.cnn.com...

2 of the firefighters have already died from their wounds




posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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I was wondering if this was enough dead to register here

this place is going to be busy, there are 34 murders with guns every day in this country



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Nearly 100 people die daily from Auto Accidents....Maybe we should start bringing national attention to them and ban cars.....Link



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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or teach you to drive a little safer. not starting an argument but comparing a weapon to trasport accidents is silly.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Now if only they firemen had guns to protect themselves, while your at it might as well give the postman one too...
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Who the f*** shoots a firefighter? This really pisses me off.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by GuidedKill
Nearly 100 people die daily from Auto Accidents....Maybe we should start bringing national attention to them and ban cars.....Link


In how many auto accidents was a deranged driver hoping to kill ?

What on earth has this to do with lunatic gunmen ?



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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I am utterly appalled by this, as I was when those poor school kids died the other week, as I am whenever the innocent or righteous are murdered. The victims in this case were life savers, people who risked thier lives to fight fire and save lives and property from its hellish embrace. These were people used to laying down thier lives, but this is not what they signed up for.

Its one thing a firefighter dying in action in a roof collapse, or a backdraft, or an explosion. Its sad of course, but that is part of the risk they take when choosing thier path in life, and so, though bitter sweet, thier deaths are not something against which an outrage can legitimately be leveled. But this incident is just diabolic. I hope those responsible for this terrible acts reap of the seed they planted in shooting these people.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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I own both a car and guns and have yet to injure or kill anyone with either. However not comparing them to each other is silly. Plenty of things kill people and plenty of them are illegal, take drugs for instance...illegal and kill more than both combined each year. Now lets look at LEGAL prescription drugs....they kill even more.

These people that commit these crimes need help no doubt. This OP is taking very rare incidents and using them to further the argument to ban guns. Criminal break the law and they will break any new law we create.

More gun laws will never stop the criminals from doing what they do, however new gun laws will make it even harder to defend yourself. A armed society is a polite society....



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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A lunatic gunmen uses the gun irresponsibly.

A lunatic driver uses the car irresponsibly.

Because a couple people use it badly, nobody should use it.

There're people that have used cars as weapons, you know. There was a case in my newspaper where the GF was running over her BF. But anyway, that's not the point. The point is that cars and guns are a (licensed/earned) freedom and people can use them wrongly and it happens daily. Should a couple who use a freedom wrongly mean that those who use it responsibly can't use it either?
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Crazy is crazy...do you really think having a law to ban guns is going to cure that?? A crazy person could steal a large dump truck and drive through a large public gathering....Would that not be as tragic and shooting someone?



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Condolences to the courageous firefightters.

But doesn't anyone see a pattern here?

1. Random indiscriminate gunshot killings is rising.

2. HEAVY MEDIA focus on guns attributed news, rather than the more non-gun violence.

What's going on?

I hope it is only something innocent, and not something that had been manipulated and played up by the anti-gun lobbists to tear up the sacred Constitution that alone had made USA a great nation still standing for 200+ years.

How UNCONSCIONABLE can the anti-gun lobby get???!!!! First innocent children, now firefighters???



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Hey ats. Are you a new York resident? Do you have a legal permit to carry a gun?

Is your name going to be on this list?

gun owners names released...

Now everyone knows who you are. No need to conceal it anymore.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Theres some real sicko's out there. Thing is if they had there guns taken away,. They would still be real sickos. Probably with a knife or sword or some other weapon. Theres nothing you can do about it. If there going to go crazy on someone they will do. Why should most law obiding citizens have there guns taken away because of a few clowns. Most of the stuff what has happened in the unites states lately has very dubious elements attached to it anyway



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by GuidedKill
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Crazy is crazy...do you really think having a law to ban guns is going to cure that?? A crazy person could steal a large dump truck and drive through a large public gathering....Would that not be as tragic and shooting someone?


The difference is that the sole purpose of guns is to kill.

Motor vehicles can take brides to weddings, the sick to hospital, familes to picnics etc etc etc.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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You got a point. If media outlets continually report shootings and rant and rave this might actually cause some crazy people to go on a shooting rampage just to fulfill their need for attention.

I think they call it copycat crime.

But by reporting all of the shootings excessively they might also win support for anti-gun measures. They just have to "convince" the public that guns are a threat to national stability.

This could be countered by showing shows on TV about how to use guns responsibly and rewarding those who do. And by also showings acts of kindness and resolving problems through non-violence. These sorts of things emphasize responsibility and give people a sense that we can persevere.

Remember that whoever screams the loudest probably will rule the airwaves. So if the NRA stays out of it and gun owners stay out of it then there's a good chance they'll lose gun rights. This is especially true if a majority of people do not own guns. They'll be very suggestible.
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Guns do serve a purpose, and most certainly higher than taking brides to weddings or you to work.

It ensures you and your generation remain free should one day a rogue govt takes over the nation and enslave all of you under totalitarian rule, as evident and happened to many other nations in our world



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by GuidedKill
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Crazy is crazy...do you really think having a law to ban guns is going to cure that?? A crazy person could steal a large dump truck and drive through a large public gathering....Would that not be as tragic and shooting someone?


The difference is that the sole purpose of guns is to kill.

Motor vehicles can take brides to weddings, the sick to hospital, familes to picnics etc etc etc.


The sole purpose of knives are to kill as well, but you can use them to prepare family dinners, cut open letters and presents, cut ropes and straps etc...

Just cause some crazy idiot used something in a manner to hurt someone else doesn't mean you ban the item they chose to use. You address what made the person do it, not that you could anyway. Those "crazy" people usually take their life instead of face any kind of opposition like say another person with a gun attempting to stop them.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by GuidedKill
Nearly 100 people die daily from Auto Accidents....Maybe we should start bringing national attention to them and ban cars.....Link


In how many auto accidents was a deranged driver hoping to kill ?

What on earth has this to do with lunatic gunmen ?


There was an incident at UNC Chapel Hill where a guy rented a Ford Explorer, drove on to campus, and then started trying to run over students. He chose a place called "The Pit" where students regularly gather in the afternoon. He then said he was doing it to copy his terrorist role models.
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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My question is a simple one. Why does CNN cover the story of shootings like these, but not stories of successful defense?

Here are a couple of stories you will never see on CNN.


While at home with his wife and daughter, a homeowner prepared to go outside to investigate a sudden power outage. His wife asked him to carry his firearm with him as a precaution. As he opened the front door to step outside, three men charged him in an attempt to gain entry. The homeowner pushed his wife aside as he fell backward and fired at the intruders. His daughter, a student in her early 20s, hid in another room and called police. One of the three home invaders suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was listed in serious condition. The remaining two suspects managed to escape. The homeowner and his family were not seriously injured. (Sun Sentinel, Miramar, FL, 10/2/12)



Kendra St. Clair, a 12-year-old at home alone one day during her fall break, called her mother at work to say there was a man repeatedly ringing the doorbell and banging on the door. When no one answered the door, she said he disappeared. St. Clair’s mother instructed her daughter to get her .40-cal. Glock pistol and go into a bathroom closet. St. Clair heard him break in through the back door. As the man made his way through her home, 911 dispatchers kept St. Clair on the phone. He was inside the home for approximately six minutes before he made his way to the bathroom where St. Clair was hiding. When she saw the door knob begin to turn, she fired the gun. The 32-year-old intruder was taken into custody after being treated for a gunshot to the chest. (The Oklahoman, Durant, OK, 10/20/12)



Roosevelt Maggett was at home recovering from cancer treatment when a burglar knocked on the door, pushed him over a chair and tried to choke him to death. “He grabbed me,” Maggett explained. “He said, ‘I’m going to kill you.’” Despite his weakened state, Maggett was able to reach for a firearm. “I guess the good Lord gave me the strength to get him up off me,” he says. Maggett fired one round into the burglar, killing him. (WMC-TV, Memphis, TN, 11/26/11)
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