No Guns Used In These Murders/Suicide at a School !

Attack At Casper College In Wyoming

This story illustrates more or less gun control are not the issues.
Rather these are the issue's, morality and sanity.
And perhaps anger management and self-control.
And also desensitization and glorification of and too gory violence in media.
And having trained thousands of soldiers to kill abroad in immoral unjustified occupations, do you think they get to just turn that off like a light switch when they get home.

The issues go way beyond the "Gun" today.

This story just shows more and more why we need to...

BAN EVERYTHING! If we do that then we can't hurt & kill each other. Right?

reply to post by ArrowsNV




The safety/security mindset is a progressive one...they take inches until they have miles...and in order to accomplish safety/security or at least the illusion of it...you must sacrifice freedoms and liberties inch by inch, mile by mile...

100% correct OP, there are SO MANY OTHER ISSUES to work on, all of them having ZERO to do with firearms if we wish RESOLVE anything

Make NO MISTAKE about it folks, we can SEE that strict gun laws always FAIL and that violent crime always SKYROCKETS afterwards. And in the end, its ALWAYS the good guys who SUFFER leaving them completely defenseless in a world of SCUM who will ALWAYS be out there waiting to PREY on the weak and defenseless citizens. The FACT is, that only criminals, traitors, and brainwashed sheeple are the ones who are in favor of strict gun control and gun bans. PERIOD. Criminals, traitors, and brainwashed sheeple!!!!!!

In the UK (a VERY strict anti-gun DUMP of a place), if a gang of crime-hardened THUGS bust through the door or windows of a home, gaining ILLEGAL ENTRY of said home with the CLEAR INTENT of greatly harming that home's family, it is the home owner who faces a long JAIL sentence if he is "determined" to have been a bit too "harsh" on the gang of crime-hardened gang of THUGS when he protects his home and FAMILY!!!!!!!!! THAT is beyond BACKWARDS and WRONG. No words can describe how ASININE that is!!!!!!

America doesnt need strict gun control because THAT is how it WILL end up if we let it go and not FIGHT to defend our Rights and freedoms!! The U.S. can be the next U.K. if we give in folks. The UK is clearly a country whose laws favor its criminals MORE than its law-abiding citizens. That is FRIGHTENING to say the least!!!

America doesnt need that garbage. Written up by our nation's founding fathers, our 2nd Amendment was given to WE THE PEOPLE as a means to DEFEND ourselves against traitors and criminals. Our founding fathers knew it would always be a necessity that it's citizens KEEP and BEAR arms in order for us to keep our FREEDOM and LIBERTY in this nation.

I don't think that's the best way to win this argument.

Logically: Saying, "Look at this murder/suicide, there were no guns!", the point you end up making, is a 'point' the opposing side will usually, or at least should, concede to. Of course violence can happen no matter what, regardless of a gun being present or not, to say otherwise is a childish statement, et ceteris parabis. Either side is hurt by making that their focal point.

Socially: To make wind of others' misfortunes for the purpose of pursuing your own agenda is immoral and something everyone on ATS gripes about the political elite doing. We have to be able to win our arguments without stepping on the toes of others, if we don't... we are the same as them.

Next time you feel like ranting about why guns should remain illegal, how about you use your passion to write a letter to your district's representative? or to the governor of your state? That would have been far more productive than repeating what's been said on this site 10^nth times. Which I'd garner that cumulatively has still accounted for diddly-squat.

This article highlights something I have long suspected about the state of things in America, with specific attention to the senseless murder of its people, by persons in its society who seem to have lost touch with reality. People will use ANY tool, justify any action, when they are in an altered state, when circumstance and chemical imbalance combine in such profusion, there will be death. Wether a person uses a gun or a brick, there will be death, unless the core issues are addressed.

These are more deeply important issues than the availability of objects which could be used in a murder. The prevention of wanton, and senseless murder and chaos, cannot revolve around an argument about guns, and thier availability. If the government in the US wish to change things, then it must begin to address the psychological disorders that are being suffered by those who are perpetrating these appalling acts.

When a man kills someone with his bare hands, do we consider taking them away from people? No. When a person runs someone over, is there an outcry against the car in general? No. When someone kills someone with poisons, does the human race attempt to ban the entire segment of the periodic table from which it came? No.

It is the diseased mind of the killers, that needs to be addressed, the state of mental health awareness in the USA that needs to be dealt with, if these incidents are to be averted. Although it is true that a gun is purpose built for one single reason, it is not the gun that makes possible the acts which its user wishes to involve himself in. It is the contents of the mind, that dictate the action of the body, in pulling the trigger, pushing in the knife, triggering the detonator, or pushing down the accelerator of a car, to whatever end is intended. Until this part of the process is identified as the root of the problem, nothing will change, nothing can change.

reply to post by oper8zhin


Like the vast majority of your thoughts across this website, you are wrong in you assertions about how the law views self-defence in the UK. Recently, there have been moves to make things less ambiguous and this recent article goes some way to correct what you are positing.

This seems to point out that more gun control would reduce the number of deaths and injuries. Thanks for that.

However, back to your main point; yes, we should also emphasize mental health and access to it.

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I can't help but agree that the volume of deaths with a bow and arrow would be less then if the assailant has a AK-47 with a dozen clips. In the end it is also harder to commit suicide, maybe that is a deterrent to somebody, as that seems to be the MO of these. The hate their life and want it to end, so they will take as many down with them before they end theirs. The person in this article did use this to kill himself, not a gun.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


yah but it had to be a semi-automatic sharp edged object no? ^^

lets see if we can connect them to 3 of the biggest finacial fraud firms or libor. bet we cant ^^

reply to post by TrueBrit


VERY WELL SAID.

Kudos to you sir.

But the anti-gun people would rather ban a gun (symptom) than deal with the cause of the situation.


The scary part is they will pat themselves on the back at "protecting our children" but more will die due to things like DUI or drugs but not a peep

quote]Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by links234


I can't help but agree that the volume of deaths with a bow and arrow would be less then if the assailant has a AK-47 with a dozen clips. In the end it is also harder to commit suicide, maybe that is a deterrent to somebody, as that seems to be the MO of these. The hate their life and want it to end, so they will take as many down with them before they end theirs. The person in this article did use this to kill himself, not a gun.

The problem with this logic (tho it is a valid point to a limited degree) is that it does not fit the pattern of the columbine, virginia tech, colorado movie theater, and this latest school shooting.

These EVIL people CLEARLY left evidence they planned their attacks. From getting supplies (weither legally in the colorado shooter or ILLEGALLY in this school shooter), choosing their targets based on vulnerabilty, and were resistance/chance to stop them.

The later were ALL GUN FREE ZONES. The inescapable truth (that gun ban supporters try to hide) is they choose locations to maximize casulties and minimize risk to be stopped.

If "these weapons were not availble" they could easily have used home made bombs, chemicals (example gasoline), poisons, or even a car driven though a crowd of students and (sadly) achieved the same death count.

You are not gonna stop an evil person from doing harm just because you removed one possible tool.

Where I object is trying to remove an object that will not make a significant difference (as PROVEN by criminal statistics when the last "assault weapons" ban was in effect).

I also object is not allowing people to defend themselves from evil people.
This is what angers me to no ends.
There is decades of verifiable facts/proof where people have been allowed to carry and use a gun it has reduced violent crime and saved lives.

But because its a GUN and some vocal people hate guns (but no problem with having guards around them with guns) its ok to let people die because they are unavailable.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


They sandy hook shooting (why i guess your posting this) has been shown on tv so many times its no longer a story but a tool for propaganda. But even so and as bad as it is to say who is gonna remember it in 10? 20 years?
Look at another of Americas tragedies, pearl harbor Dec 7th, almost never mentioned less the younger generation eveven know its date....but ask when the towers fell and you'll get a date and full description, also waco did people forget that...how many kids died there....and im pretty sure it wasn't by guns...seeing a pattern here?