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Originally posted by shaneslaughta
reply to post by michael1983l
There are over 270 million privately owned fire arms in the usa, those are the legal ones that are on the books.
removing them is not going to do anything but stop the good people of this country from protecting them selves.
If those fire fighters were packing heat then it wouldn't have gotten that far.
I can see you have an agenda, im not going to argue with you over it.
We live here not you, so stop telling us what we should and shouldn't do with Our nation.
Oh by the way, i have a friend that lives in swanesia. He was shot a month ago by a high powered air rifle.
That just goes to shoe you when one item is off the table people will find something else to use to commit their crimes.
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by MystikMushroom
No I just don't enjoy seeing innocent children slain to death, regardless of which nation they are born in and p.s. a British child was a victim too so it does affect us. Its pretty sad that you have to have more mature nations lecture you on this subject to try and make you see sense. I suppose it might be a bit too much to expect of a nation still very much in its infancy. You have only been around 600 years, Britain has been here for thoasands of years and we have had more time to learn from our mistakes. Your nation might not be ready to accept disarmanent yet, but it is inevitable eventually as you will eventually learn from your painful mistakes.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by michael1983l
The US was founded on the concept that rights are more important than lives.
That is why they were willing to fight in the first place.
Another tragedy where the gun control people can't wait to turn it political.
Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
Blaze is really out of control, fighters have started tacking it.
Journalist had a corker quote though, "what's the NRAs next response, firefighters with tanks and guns?", be interesting to see what they say this time.
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by MystikMushroom
1. This is about firefighters, not children regardless of where they are from
2. I suppose Americans could lecture you about having cameras on every corner, but that is off the subject
3. You are correct that eventually we will more than likley all live in a world without personal weapons
4. When the London tube bombings happened, I didn't lecture UK people in how to run their security. I let you folks deal with the situation as you saw fit.
5. I enjoy hunting, and believe that owning firearms for that purpose is reasonable. I am sure some of my Inuit friends would laugh at trying to shoot a beluga whale with a shotgun. I can use a shotgun for my bird hunting, but to take down a large animal that can feed my family for several months, I need a higher-powered rifle. I will make the concession that handguns only serve one purpose -- to kill people
6. Guns are not the issue, it's the people who are accessing them. Americans are doing a very poor job at taking care of their mentally ill. I have said this over and over again. Hopefully, with Obamacare more people that need help will get it. Ultimatley, I would love to have a fully nationalized healthcare system. I believe this is one of the reasons the UK and Canada have lower incidents of violent crime. Your people can get the help they need
-MM
1, Actually this debate has naturally progressed into the merits of gun control in light of what has happened to the firefighters and I think the Conneticut incident is a relevant topic to that.
2, You could lecture us about cameras and you would find me nodding in agreement with you. There is a time and a place for cameras and our government has gone too far, but you do find political groups lobbying against them and that is the way a democracy works, you change things through diplomancy not through the threat of violence, or the ability to brandish your arms if your government does something you do not agree with.
3, I'm glad we agree on this point and it will be a happy day for the whole world when we get to that stage.
4, A rather irrelevant point, but I suppose you guys had been hit by the twin towers so that makes us both fools then doesn't it?
5, I am actually pro hunting, and I am not saying that you should copy the UK laws completely, so concessions should be made to make hunting possible whilst at the same time as keep your citizens safe. For example you could make rifles available through special clubs where the weapons are in the control of a proper armoury rather than in your garage.
6, I wholeheartedly agree that you do indeed need Obamacare and that it will help, but it will never irradicate the problem completely and gun control would still be an important part of keeping your Citizens safe.
And my own point, is every human life should be valued and sometimes we have to make personal sacrifices for the sake of the greater good. In this instance I would say that this would be one of those sacrifices and I do believe that one day your citizens will decide that enough is enough.edit on 24-12-2012 by michael1983l because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by michael1983l
The US was founded on the concept that rights are more important than lives.
That is why they were willing to fight in the first place.
Another tragedy where the gun control people can't wait to turn it political.
New York has very strict gun laws, just like Connecticut.
Cause and effect mean anything to you?
Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
This is another psyopera brought to you by tptb who want to disarm Americans. May those innocent firefighters rest in peace. It is tragic that they were used for this agenda. How many firefighters get shot when battling blazes? This whole thing stinks to high heaven, just like the rest.
As I keep saying, the incidences will keep increasing until America gets disarmed. Mosey over to Huff Post and read comments of all the people who want America disarmed. Get ready because we are heading in the direction of disarmament.
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
This is another psyopera brought to you by tptb who want to disarm Americans. May those innocent firefighters rest in peace. It is tragic that they were used for this agenda. How many firefighters get shot when battling blazes? This whole thing stinks to high heaven, just like the rest.
As I keep saying, the incidences will keep increasing until America gets disarmed. Mosey over to Huff Post and read comments of all the people who want America disarmed. Get ready because we are heading in the direction of disarmament.
A typical and easy response when something is happening that you do not like but have no means of justifying. Ok, so it is a conspiracy and my government is forcing it upon me. Yeah nice one, argument over.