Slight ephiphany re: David Icke and assassinations throughout history

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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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I prefer Eckhart Tolle's interpretation, whereby he calls it the "collective pain body" (same diff). For example, in spite of what's called the Allies great "triumph" in WWII, the damage wrought, and the amount of negative energy fed to to the collective pain body is something that we're STILL dealing with two generations later, for example my Dad had a rough life psychologically because of a hateful father who was bitter over having had his leg blown off in the war, which in turn has effected me to a degree insofar as I absorbed my Dad's painbody in regards to his Dad's. They're not "creatures" in their own right, but they can certainly be thought of as living archetypes of negativity. That certain dark shadowy operators and occultists utilize this "evil" as a means by which to gain and wield "power" is just so sickening and by God it has to STOP, and that's when the "beast" is double bound in chains and sunk into the abyss (oblivion).


The beauty of it all is that once this is fully understood and accepted and "grokked" most fully, you just can't help but to burst out laughing at the utter absurdity of it all, as the devil thrashes around, no more perch and nothing to leverage from.. it's very FUNNY!


So if I can deal with it, and laugh about it, then so can we all, and then part of the painbody is reintegrated at last, and a healing has taken place (can you feel it?).

That's a much better way of interpreting things than as some malevolent force of an alien natiure, whether called an Archon or a lizzard hierarchy of demons. You know sometimes David Icke is helpful, and sometimes he's not, and sadly in the gap between reality and fantasy is the area wherein he makes the most money!




posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by DarKPenguiN

I guess my point is- How do these people know about the "Archons"? If that isnt some New Age stuff I am not sure what is...


It's not new age, it's really old age, it's what the gnostics believed. They believed the Archons to be servants of the Demiurge, basically demons who served the agenda of Satan/Yahweh. I don't know if it's true, but it's not something Icke, or some new ager, just made up.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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You can call me "new agey". I want peace for every human and i dont want any friken money. People need to stop making dollars and start making sense. Peace is free.

Want war? Here's a gun

Want peace? Here's a bullet

yet it seems im not allowed to even open my mouth to want peace...just like the system does...its populance will prosecute me
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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Is it ok if we throw them away the "archons", that is if they're not helpful and aren't serving the cause of the betterment of humanity - maybe they're worthless and good for nothing, has Icke thought of that instead of promoting them on the latest Icke world tour!


Archons, please. We need archons about as much as we need a hole in the head.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by rabzdguy
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You can call me "new agey". I want peace for every human and i dont want any friken money. People need to stop making dollars and start making sense. Peace is free.

Want war? Here's a gun

Want peace? Here's a bullet

yet it seems im not allowed to even open my mouth to want peace...just like the system does...its populance will prosecute me
edit on 24-12-2012 by rabzdguy because: (no reason given)

No. Try not to take me wrong, I am not trying to be a jerk.

Not trying to label you either (as new agey) I was labeling Icke and his supposed beliefs as "new Agey". Hell, if you want Peace and love and are a good person its all good- me too. I just do not subscribe to gurus who sell ideals that they themselves do not practice.

If you became a guru (even one with a good message) but lived your own life in very different fashion than you proclaim- Then I would label (and debunking) you.

My point is essentially that all this "secret" wisdom of these gurus needs to be compared to their own lives. Anyone can have a "positive" message- Look at that TV preacher (just commented about him on another thread) who was totally against gays and drugs and booze and premarital sex and pornography (he sold a bill of good the "Christians" ate up) was later caught dealing with gay prostitutes and snorting meth- He "apologizes" to his congregation (who made him MILLIONS) and said he was "weak" and blamed the # on Satan... And they bought it...

Well, the same type of thing goes on with Icke and Wilcock and the other gurus who preach one thing but its merely lip service.

No offense to you at all and I am terribly sorry if you (or anyone) took me as offensive (really.)



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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I don't understand your post? What is the point you're making, that you don't believe these "archons" exist? I'm not sure I do either, but they do have similarities to a lot of the entities talked about in cultures all around the world, which is kind of interesting. And when you look at the occultist globalists, you do have to wonder WHY they do some of the things they do? They aren't stupid, it doesn't seem like they would do symbolism, rituals, sacrifices, torture, pedophilia, murders etc. for no reason. What that reason is, is certainly up for debate though.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by CudiTheKid
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I don't understand your post? What is the point you're making, that you don't believe these "archons" exist? I'm not sure I do either, but they do have similarities to a lot of the entities talked about in cultures all around the world, which is kind of interesting. And when you look at the occultist globalists, you do have to wonder WHY they do some of the things they do? They aren't stupid, it doesn't seem like they would do symbolism, rituals, sacrifices, torture, pedophilia, murders etc. for no reason. What that reason is, is certainly up for debate though.

You are assuming that they are doing occult rituals but your info comes from where? Infowars? John Todd? David Icke?

I can tear any of these people apart with verifiable lies- If they lie once (about very blatant and easily provable issues) then nothing they say can be trusted.

Now, that said- I have no clue if some sectret occult organization exists (it may) but neither do you- So assuming the Archons fit in with your idea (which has no proof) is trying to justify one fantasy with another.

-Again, not saying this is real or not- I am saying I dont know (and neither do you)



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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Well, here's a good discussion on archons: www.jayweidner.com...

Also this: gnosis.org...

There's a lot of information there. You all can do your own research into the Nag Hammadi texts and see if it rings true for you.
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by DarKPenguiN
You are assuming that they are doing occult rituals but your info comes from where? Infowars? John Todd? David Icke?


Some info comes from researchers, other info comes from witnesses (and police reports), and some of it comes from watching what they do with my own two eyes. Look at the music industry, look at the Super Bowl, look at the Olympics, look at Hollywood, look at 9/11, look at the Grove, look at the blood lines, look at the etymology of many of our words, look at the secret societies, look at the occult texts, look at the society we live in. Their numerology and symbols are so pervasive in our society that people just think these things are normal, and they have no idea the meaning or reasoning for them, or where they come from. We are living in mystery Babylon, even the Bible is mystery Babylon repackaged (Jesus and his 12 disciples, what a laugh). If you don't believe these guys are occult, that's fine, but it's the most reasonable explanation IMO.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by CudiTheKid

Originally posted by DarKPenguiN
You are assuming that they are doing occult rituals but your info comes from where? Infowars? John Todd? David Icke?


Some info comes from researchers, other info comes from witnesses (and police reports), and some of it comes from watching what they do with my own two eyes. Look at the music industry, look at the Super Bowl, look at the Olympics, look at Hollywood, look at 9/11, look at the Grove, look at the blood lines, look at the etymology of many of our words, look at the secret societies, look at the occult texts, look at the society we live in. Their numerology and symbols are so pervasive in our society that people just think these things are normal, and they have no idea the meaning or reasoning for them, or where they come from. We are living in mystery Babylon, even the Bible is mystery Babylon repackaged (Jesus and his 12 disciples, what a laugh). If you don't believe these guys are occult, that's fine, but it's the most reasonable explanation IMO.


What I believe is irrelevant. Personally I completely agree with you as I too feel there is some "secret rulers" with Occult knowledge they keep hidden from us Plebs.

Again, my point comes down to what I know- And I do not know... There are things I thought I knew (for certain) which now I am not so certain of. There are other things I now believe which I would have laughed at Ten years ago.

But when someone comes out (Icke for instance) with a "this is the way it is, there are these Archons or Demons or whatever feeding on your negativity"- I call bunk. Not because its not plausible (it is) but I consider the source and KNOW that he does not KNOW and is just repeating something he heard or making something up.

So to take it further- Yes, I think there is an "Occult" order which controls the World in some way, shape or form- But every time I see a Sun Symbol I dont instantly think "thats one of THEM" as the "Sun" can be used for a Breakfast cafe which has nothing to do with anything.

Hell, I trusted jones when I first heard him...Until he burned me with bad information and lies one to many times- Therefore I trust nothing the man says- That does not mean he isnt right sometimes. Same with Icke,.. But when we get into the realm of metaphysics and the "hidden Universe" where there is no proof or way to verify, I consider the source (and Icke isnt a very peaceful and Loving guy or even truthful...)



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by DarKPenguiN
But when someone comes out (Icke for instance) with a "this is the way it is, there are these Archons or Demons or whatever feeding on your negativity"- I call bunk. Not because its not plausible (it is) but I consider the source and KNOW that he does not KNOW and is just repeating something he heard or making something up.


Ok yes, I agree with you here, like I said before I don't know if archons or malevolent entities exist. I just find it interesting that so many cultures share a lot of similar stories. And really I don't KNOW that the globalists are occult either, but it would go a long way in explaining some of the bizarre things they put out there. For instance, Moloch, an ancient god of sacrifice and shown as a bull, is freaking everywhere with these people (that's the signal they make with their hands, bull's horns, not devil horns), including Buckingham Palace (among some other bizarre stuff that I won't get into):



Maybe some of these are "I love you"
, most of them not.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Dustytoad
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I respect Icke, and I kNOW he tells the truth, just based on his story of how he started.. I have a similar story..

Reptillians are the "Green witch" in wizard of OZ
the vampires..
Blood suckers..
Energy thieves..
Fear mongerers..

Is it just a concept?
If it is just a concept ,he tells you how to act on said concept.. It's by expanding your consciousness by Loving your neighbor, while resisting the automatic responses that emotions bring. Act with more power, and you will have more control over your world.. It is OURS by the way.


I Love Humans..
edit on 12/24/2012 by Dustytoad because: (no reason given)

Ike knows a little in his field. He falls far short in not declaring the truth to all these things. he's new agey. he needs the answer. He needs to embrace the truth. All these things are above us and out of our control.
This is why the Great God sent a savior. It is in that savior and the message he spoke that salvation lays. There is an end to the evil. There is a golden age coming. Christ will return. Why do so many kick against the pricks?
I am the most dangerous thing imaginable to the NWO and the evil. I am saved. Kill me and I will rise to walk on your ashes. Ignor me to your peril. Embrace me and make your peace with me and enjoy the salvation of God. All will find out soon that Jesus is the way. The only way. The way. The truth. and the Light.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Haha, there is a reason the nWo in wrestling used the hand signal they did.





posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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The archons are from the gnostic texts which if anything are old agey because they were written thousands of years ago lol.I urge anyone who is awake and looking for answers to look into the gnostic writings. I have researched philosophy and theology for years and the gnostic texts hold much to ponder on for the truthseeker.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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Maybe you are onto something, but I don't know about the reason.

The reason is likely because peace is not lucrative... it won't buy you the super yacht in Monte Carlo.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by CudiTheKid
Maybe some of these are "I love you"
, most of them not.



Are those photoshop'ed? How can we tell...



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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Maybe some of these are "I love you"
, most of them not.

Those are inoffensive mudras and I'm ready to bet that almost everyone in this collage don't know what they're doing at all.

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posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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Wars were never wanted by people.
Did we want a war in Iraq?
Did we want a war in Afganistan or Vietnam?
Of course not!

So, who is pushing these wars upon us the people?
It's not the political leaders.
It's certainly not the army Generals.
The only answer that I can see is our planet-prison-masters.
Their next agenda: WW3.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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You forgot to mention Mahatma Gandhi


“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy?”
― Mahatma Gandhi

“Love is the strongest force the world possesses and yet it is the humblest imaginable.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

“The day the power of love overrules the love of power, the world will know peace.”
― Mahatma Gandhi



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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If we were truly "ready for Peace" we'd then have Peace !! People want to say they are being kept from love, money etc ... the universe was created perfect by God ... when we have a pure sincere desire then nothing stops us from having that thing ... the world & (your small world around you) are a perfect reflection of yourself right here right now ... be honest with yourself & change you .. don't blame anyone else



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