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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by SubTruth
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Big groups can be a good and bad thing. If you are traveling in numbers a well thought plan is needed before hand. Maps and alt. routes are a must. 7 miles could seem like 700 miles without a good plan.




I will say it again MAPS are a must. And being able to read them a good compass is a great tool. I use a military tritium compass they can be had on ebay for about 50-75 dollars.



Well if you know each other it's good. If not, this might post a problem, since in extreme situations we're like animals and try to survive no matter what




posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
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Im merly a minion so to speak, Im a skilled labourer by trade and plant machine operater, There has to be structure and a plan,
The leaders will have the smarts to get us up and running again, or thats the idea.

There will be plenty off rouge elements to dealt with.






Be proud of what you do I am also a CNC operator and proud of it.
I run 3....4 axis machines 7 days week when they let me. Being able to work metal is a huge plus be proud of who you are and what you can do.



It does not matter what job you do as long as you take pride in it.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Hellas

Originally posted by SubTruth
reply to post by Hellas
 


Big groups can be a good and bad thing. If you are traveling in numbers a well thought plan is needed before hand. Maps and alt. routes are a must. 7 miles could seem like 700 miles without a good plan.




I will say it again MAPS are a must. And being able to read them a good compass is a great tool. I use a military tritium compass they can be had on ebay for about 50-75 dollars.



Well if you know each other it's good. If not, this might post a problem, since in extreme situations we're like animals and try to survive no matter what








Very true. I believe the human heart at it's core is kind and good will always out trump evil even in the worst of times. When times are tough the lines between good and evil can become gray the trick it to not let them.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Bug out bag
Lets see, if I was making one
Thirty six hour walk basically for you would take me three days
Small coffee pot with enough coffee and water to make two gallons of coffee, some sugar packets and some creamer packets.
Now for food, two pounds of homeade cookies and some beef jerky or beef sticks would do
Come to think of it I would need some extra cookies to show up at home with, make that five pounds of cookies.
Need a warm blanket and an axe and foldable saw to cut wood to make the coffee.
Waterproof matches or a couple of lighters and a compass.
I always carry a knife, that's not a problem. Maybe a pistol and ammo to scare away wild animals or zombies. A little salt and pepper in case I shoot a bunny


I think a trek through the woods to grandma's house may be fun, maybe I'll stretch it out to a week. Ten pounds of cookies and a can of coffee with some water purification tablets would come in handy. I might smell like a bear when I get there so I suppose I need a bar of soap and towel also. Now I will need a few more things, maybe I should take the snowmobile or tractor with a trailer behind. Might as well take a camper.

Oh, I'm all tired out already just thinking about it, I'm just going to stay home, I'll wait for the kids and grandkids to come here. I'll keep the coffee on and plenty of cookies on hand and let the kids have all the fun walking around in the woods. Maybe I'll make them bug out bags, with enough cookies to make it out here. Ten pounds of cookies each should be enough, after all they are only three miles away.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
Bug out bag
Lets see, if I was making one
Thirty six hour walk basically for you would take me three days
Small coffee pot with enough coffee and water to make two gallons of coffee, some sugar packets and some creamer packets.
Now for food, two pounds of homeade cookies and some beef jerky or beef sticks would do
Come to think of it I would need some extra cookies to show up at home with, make that five pounds of cookies.
Need a warm blanket and an axe and foldable saw to cut wood to make the coffee.
Waterproof matches or a couple of lighters and a compass.
I always carry a knife, that's not a problem. Maybe a pistol and ammo to scare away wild animals or zombies. A little salt and pepper in case I shoot a bunny


I think a trek through the woods to grandma's house may be fun, maybe I'll stretch it out to a week. Ten pounds of cookies and a can of coffee with some water purification tablets would come in handy. I might smell like a bear when I get there so I suppose I need a bar of soap and towel also. Now I will need a few more things, maybe I should take the snowmobile or tractor with a trailer behind. Might as well take a camper.

Oh, I'm all tired out already just thinking about it, I'm just going to stay home, I'll wait for the kids and grandkids to come here. I'll keep the coffee on and plenty of cookies on hand and let the kids have all the fun walking around in the woods. Maybe I'll make them bug out bags, with enough cookies to make it out here. Ten pounds of cookies each should be enough, after all they are only three miles away.







Good point I never figured out how I could live without cookies. The thin mint variety is the one I would miss the most. I can eat them by the sleeve. Ok I am packing 2 sleeves of thin mint as we speak.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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reply to post by SubTruth
 
"Kill them all and let God sort it out" would be a wise adage S/T.

There will be groups that IMO should be culled straight away, No time or resourses for the undersirables, Im not saying be draconian in your actions but select carfully.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
reply to post by SubTruth
 
"Kill them all and let God sort it out" would be a wise adage S/T.

There will be groups that IMO should be culled straight away, No time or resourses for the undersirables, Im not saying be draconian in your actions but select carfully.







To be honest with a attitude like that that life really is not worth living.
I take a much kinder view I will help when I can, defend only when I must, and love as much as I can.




The rambo types will take care of themselves in short order. I think I am done in this thread.
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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I apologise S/T, But you will have to come to terms that it will be a differant society after any SHTF scenario,
Take the US program walking dead, They where the most disfuntional group i have clapped eyes on, They walked by militery hardwear and safe places to hold up.

I would keep a million miles from that squad.

And as a said earlier im merly a minion with skills, The leaders are there to ensure order and peace.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
reply to post by SubTruth
 
I apologise S/T, But you will have to come to terms that it will be a differant society after any SHTF scenario,
Take the US program walking dead, They where the most disfuntional group i have clapped eyes on, They walked by militery hardwear and safe places to hold up.

I would keep a million miles from that squad.

And as a said earlier im merly a minion with skills, The leaders are there to ensure order and peace.






You sound like a younger person so I will respond again. The real world is nothing like a TV show. Look to the past it will show you the future. Sure people can do terrible things but at the end of the day the people who will survive will not be the rambo types they will be the quite one's.




I am armed up about as good as you are going to get and guess what I am not going to look for trouble. I am going to avoid trouble the best I can.




Also I have come to terms along time ago. My heart is kind and will remain that way until I die.
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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I think we will agree to disagree on this one S/T, I grew up in a very troubled part of the world and know fine well the evil mankind is capable off.
And i mean real evil you could almost feel it in the air so to speak, In our group there are police and nurses and doctors and teachers all shapes and sizes and most imporantly ages,
I think you are asumming we are a militery minded group, We are not, But we are survivilists. and we do value wise heads are average age is Fifty to sixty, we are not youngsters.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
reply to post by SubTruth
 
I think we will agree to disagree on this one S/T, I grew up in a very troubled part of the world and know fine well the evil mankind is capable off.
And i mean real evil you could almost feel it in the air so to speak, In our group there are police and nurses and doctors and teachers all shapes and sizes and most imporantly ages,
I think you are asumming we are a militery minded group, We are not, But we are survivilists. and we do value wise heads are average age is Fifty to sixty, we are not youngsters.





I also live in not the best neighborhood and guess what people are still kind.



Think about it like this evil will always tear itself apart. When you go looking for trouble guess what you find. We all have paths we choose I choose being a good person no matter what. So at the end of the day or my life I can look myself in the face and be proud.




If I can I will turn the other cheek, If I can I will help. Would I defend myself and loved one's ? YES but only if I have to.



I am the kind of guy if someone was breaking into my car I would call the police I would not go after them. It is only property and it can be replaced life can not be replaced.
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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You have to remember that cookies attract Beezzers relatives also. A good fire roasted rabbit tastes good. Beezzer does look a little sketchy though
I don't know if sketchy rabbits would taste good.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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reply to post by SubTruth
 
So when the "Munters" start comming over the wall, What then S/T, I admire your stance against a back drop off doom and gloom going on in the world, But reality has to kick in some time,
"Kill them all and let God sort it out" has to be the survival adage IMO.

Any ways what is in your Bug out gear, would be interesting to know.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by SubTruth
 


You have to remember that cookies attract Beezzers relatives also. A good fire roasted rabbit tastes good. Beezzer does look a little sketchy though
I don't know if sketchy rabbits would taste good.




That is why I am bringing 2 sleeves. I am alright with sharing a little.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
reply to post by SubTruth
 
So when the "Munters" start comming over the wall, What then S/T, I admire your stance against a back drop off doom and gloom going on in the world, But reality has to kick in some time,
"Kill them all and let God sort it out" has to be the survival adage IMO.

Any ways what is in your Bug out gear, would be interesting to know.







Like I said before if I had to I would defend myself and my family. It is harsh but honest.




Main pack-----Eberlestock G4 operator in Multicam

Water---Katadyne pocket

Fire---Tinder kit and windmill windproof lighter

Shelter-----Raven designs A2 tent

Sleeping bags---Military sleeping 4 unit system

Knives--Gerber LMF2----Benchmade griptilian

Stove-----MSR universal

Multi-----leatherman mut

Glasses----wiley x dual

Gloves---Blackhawk

Boots---Blackhawk

Compass---Military tritium

Rope---100 paracord

Saw---Wyoming saw 2

Axe---gerber

This is some of my basic kit for defense I have a KAC SR-15 and S&W MP9 stainless.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Not many others sharing, so here are my bits


This is my camping gear, first and foremost. It comes out to play mostly on Appalachian trail hiking trips in Mass-NH-Maine, but I've also used it in the Rockies, the Bear Tooth Range in Montana, NorCal, Yellowstone and in the Olympics in Washington State. I use this gear, it's been tested an re-tested. I camp with it, hike with it and hunt with it. A lot of junk I used to carry has been discarded. I have a closet full of discarded gear taht didn't make the grade. What you see is my most current setup. This will also likely change in time as gear is added and subtracted. Our kits are ever-evolving in an effort to find that elusive "sweet spot" of weight, comfort and function


In a pinch this will be used as my BOB. Thank goodness I haven't had to use it in that role yet. However, I sleep better at night knowing it is there if I ever need to get out of dodge. You're not fooling anybody if you think a BOB situation cannot happen to you. It most certainly could.


This is my fully loaded pack including food and water, it's a Mystery Ranch Crew Cab. It weighs just under 30 pounds loaded. I am very conscience of the weight I carry. It could easily carry the kitchen sink in this pack if I wanted to. I don't want to do that
Weight is the enemy. Water alone weighs 8 pounds per gallon.

Knife is a Spyderco Paramilitary, Watch is a Casio Pathfinder Titanium -Alt-Bar-Comp, GPS is an E-Trex Vista that I've had forever. Odometer has 60k miles on it
Light is a cheapo-but-awesome Black Diamond Gizmo.

Yep, there is a tent and sleeping bag stuffed in there. I use a Big Agnes Super-light 2 two person tent and a Sierra Designs 15 degree sleeping bag.

For clothing I use lots of layers. Wool socks, Asolo Fugitive boots, Under-Armor thermal top and bottoms, Mountain hardwear shell pants, Patagonia Down jacket and Lowe Alpine outer shell jacket. Extra wool socks and an additional pair of USGI thermals, top and bottoms. It's all packed in there sans the boots.



Here is the guts. For Water I use an Osprey 3 liter bladder and an MSR mini-works filter. I also carry purification tablets but I hate them! Emergency use only! In my experience the purification tablets have a dehydrating effect. Not to mention the yuck factor! For food/cooking I use a Snow Peak GIGA stove + 2 fuel cannisters (the giga is in the tiny white case), and a Snow Peak Titanium pot (fuel stores in the pot). I carry candy bars, several Annie's mac+cheeses, sardines, yummy instant oatmeals, rice, hot choc. mix, fruit drink mix + lemonade mix. Small fishing kit. First aid kit with antibiotics, anti bacterial and nuke pills (yep, just in case). Small multi tool, fire stuff, paracord forever, batteries, toilet paper, zip ties, emergency blanket, electrical tape...

I like to think this is pretty minimalist while being effective when all you can depend on is what you've got on your back. 30 pounds is pretty damn good IMO. A lot of this stuff is big money because I like nice things
but anyone could purchase basically the same kit on the cheap if they wanted to. Thanks for looking, maybe this will help somebody out with their kit.
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posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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Nice kit buddy.
I really like mystery ranch gear.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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Thanks bro! I see you like nice things as well
I took a look at the operator when I was pack shopping. That is an excellent pack. I have never heard of Raven Designs. That A2 model looks amazing, very well thought out. Have you been using it? How has it performed?

I'm not particularly happy with the Big Agnes seedhouse tent. I'm 6'4, and even though it's a 2 person tent it is still not very accommodating length wise. My tent b4 the seedhouse was an Exped that I sold to a friend. I regret doing that! He won't sell it back to me and they discontinued the model. I'm thinking about selling the seedhouse but I haven't done any research on tents in a while. Any info you might share would be appreciated.



posted on Dec, 26 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by METACOMET
reply to post by SubTruth
 


Thanks bro! I see you like nice things as well
I took a look at the operator when I was pack shopping. That is an excellent pack. I have never heard of Raven Designs. That A2 model looks amazing, very well thought out. Have you been using it? How has it performed?

I'm not particularly happy with the Big Agnes seedhouse tent. I'm 6'4, and even though it's a 2 person tent it is still not very accommodating length wise. My tent b4 the seedhouse was an Exped that I sold to a friend. I regret doing that! He won't sell it back to me and they discontinued the model. I'm thinking about selling the seedhouse but I haven't done any research on tents in a while. Any info you might share would be appreciated.




Raven designs tents are very very hard to get. Check out the website and call the guy who makes them he is very cool outdoors kinda guy. He makes this tent by hand for the Navy seals and spec ops teams. It is a heavy duty 4 season that packs really small and has room for 2 in my version. They also make a 1 man and a larger 2 person. All are under 6 lbs I believe.



My G4 is better then I could have imagined it is pricey but nice. The only downside is they are made in Vietnam and not the US.


I actually just got some cool new kit from goal zero. I have been looking to go solar and there kits fit my needs they actually take this stuff up Everest.



By the way the tent is worth every penny and then some he should sell them for over 1000 bucks.
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posted on Dec, 27 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by foxhoundone
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Please help me on a few things ..

Why the tin snips ? Tin snips + ball penn = wire cutter/steel strap cutter.


Do you suspect that your going to end up in a chain link fence that you cant get over ?


Originally posted by foxhoundoneWhy the ball peen hammer ? Hammer hits cutter.


A sharpened steel blade would suit you better with the ol hammer and blade to cut steel.


Originally posted by foxhoundoneWhy that large flashlight ( when you have an LED light ) ? A signal lamp with red/green and amber aspects


Are you trying to get some attention on your 7 mile hike ? A whistle would be better every 5 mins then red and green lights... or you can just stand out in the road.


Originally posted by foxhoundoneWhy the large scissors ? For cling film over windows, stops reflection.


I thought you were trying to Book it to your home 7 miles away.. what good is a pair of cheap scissors going to give you when you get there that already has not happend ?


Originally posted by foxhoundoneWhy the security lock ? To secure bob when sleeping.


With that cheesy lock .. I can open that up with a small rock


Originally posted by foxhoundoneWhy the adjustable wrench with a cheesy plastic clip ? Jubilee clip driver/ small nuts like propane bottles .


That wont open enough to secure a propane bottles that are not done by hand. The J clip wont do you a darned thing being a plastic clip.


Originally posted by foxhoundoneWhy the 4 pack baked beans ? They where a multi buy.


Power bars man.. power bars.


Originally posted by foxhoundoneJust wondering , No problems its just me being fussy.


Fussy ? It would take you about a few hours to get to HOME .. why are you talking 24 or 36 hours ?

WHY are you suggesting a day or more to reach 7 miles ?

Just wondering again..

JG.





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