Netanyahu: Jerusalem is ours, I don't care what the UN says

Originally posted by ziplock9000

Originally posted by truthseeking
Another Israel - bashing thread.
You people just can't give it a rest can you?

Did you even read the OP?

Of course they didn't. Any mention of Israel and it must be a "Bashing" thread. Probably pops up on their Megaphone application and they just pop in to throw their "bashing, anti-Semite, Jew hater" crap into threads, without even discussing the issue at hand.

i really have nothing against jews or Israel but painting them all the time as innocent victims is really starting to get old. The UN created a monster. The bullied have become the bullies.Creation of Israel was the greatest political mistake of the 20th century.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
If Netanyahu and other cronies were tried and imprisoned, no matter how long it takes I think peace could be established so long as we never let history be erased concerning what is happening. We simply need to grow past it. Fanatical feelings on both sides will die out, we simply pursue justice on a larger scale.

There cannot be full scale war.... nothing will ever get resolved.

The Jewish people cannot be blamed if they were deceived by a force that has ruled them.
To punish them by bringing war to topple Israel only adds fuel to the fire. Cronies will be the devil on the shoulder telling them they were persecuted for their faith and we know this isn't true. They/we all share the same creator... but they also need to realize this... and that they were not privileged after all this time to simply go and take other people's land.

This is why we should be going after the perpetrators and stop listening to their political assault on the world.

Just about everything they say is so laden with manipulative intent that it's insulting to the intellect.

And now we get it right in the face out in the open.... he has lost all sense of humility.

WHAT is the international community going to do about this?

Good point , out there and somewhat isolated .. emphasis added, it's so good except in a
historical perspective we might be wrong. Couldn't it be the reason why there hasn't been
a full-on, gloves off shooting war in almost 60 years? We can add a blame game to the
covert ops and diplomatic pot stirring; all the while slowly getting what all wars of
conquest achieve-- genocide and control of the natural resources. Just how long you need
to suck the country dry is about how long a puppet dictator lasts anyway. Coincidence?
If it would really hit the fan, everybody would get some on them, including the perpetrators.
Manipulation of the population is more important now, because the business model is
still profitable. I don't think that will hold true for much longer than the dollar holding up.
It sounds too true now, and I don't know who said it:
"War is the ultimate failure of governments and diplomacy."
Maybe Amerika is noticeably enough running out of gas, and human capital willing to go
over and die for the Z-boys that we've outlived our usefulness to them. The Knesset sure
made it sound like they were prepping to go alone. Another blackmail bluff, but who knows?

In brief-- could there ever have been a Nuremburg Accord and Resolution without WWII?

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


But they are not outdated, and in many cases they are being phased out because we can't pay for them anymore.

Like I said, the Saturn V is a great example of this.

reply to post by buster2010


Great, you can read wikipedia and copy paste too. But it was IBM that actually invested in, and produced, the mainstream USB drive. with an Israeli Company

Once again, you're using Israeli tech right now.

Obviously, it wasn't the Jews' land forever. If we go strictly by what the Bible says, the Israelites began as a family in the land of the Canaanites, were enslaved by Egypt, then led back to the land of the Canaanites in the Exodus, which they had to conquer in order to settle there.

And who cares who invented the USB drive? Yes, some Jews are very smart and have made great contributions to science and culture. But surely the USB drive is the least of them.

reply to post by TheComte


Indeed, but the question was the worth of the investment in Israel.


Also if you want to actually go by what the Bible says, the land is God's. And he chooses who to bring up or lower down in his land. The Jews are the caretakers of the land.

That land has clearly been taken care of better in the last 40 years of Israeli rule than the last 2000 years of other rulers. In 40 years it's become a modern military, economic, and social nation.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


I am still trying to understand why we need to listen to the UN. screw the UN and all of its world domination programs

It will always be Israel stance until all foreign aid is cut. If we can't get our government to do that, i see no peace in the middle east. In my opinion Israel is the biggest terrorist in the middle east.

Originally posted by Gorman91
That land has clearly been taken care of better in the last 40 years of Israeli rule than the last 2000 years of other rulers. In 40 years it's become a modern military, economic, and social nation.

You obviously have a very skewed view of history. There were many long periods of peace and prosperity in the region under Muslim rule, both before and after the Crusades.

But yes, in the latter half of the 20th century there it has become more modern. Thanks to massive foreign aid from the United States.

and in the years to come when they breed and the area is full they will invade neighbours and take their lands
Israel is growing into a mercyless superpower and are our worst enemy.
we will all be treat like palistinians around the globe russia and china should merge and start developing things to protect themselves.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by TheComte

 

Indeed, but the question was the worth of the investment in Israel.


Also if you want to actually go by what the Bible says, the land is God's. And he chooses who to bring up or lower down in his land. The Jews are the caretakers of the land.

That land has clearly been taken care of better in the last 40 years of Israeli rule than the last 2000 years of other rulers. In 40 years it's become a modern military, economic, and social nation.

you are part correct but it has been developed at the expense of USA taxpayers and aid from around the world.
something the palistinians never got

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by TheComte

 

In 40 years it's become a modern military, economic, and social nation.

Yep,

- Undeclared Nuclear weapons
- will not comply with the IAEA
- Constantly threatening surrounding countries including the bombing of an African nation recently
- Forging Australian and other countries passports to commit crimes against other nations
- Building settlements against the views of the international community
- relentless bombs on childrens heads
- assassinating foreign scientists
- Funding armed Militias who have vowed to attack them when they are done in Syria and with that now have acquired chemical agents which could be used against Israel in the future
- Apparently don't give a toss about the UN because they are above international law
- Making false claims about Persian leaders threatening to wipe them off the face of the planet
- Drawing a red line and telling the world enough is enough without any factual evidence to support his argument
- Blames Iran for something they are guilty of themselves

The list goes on...

reply to post by TheComte


Well actually no I don't. I know full well that the Dome of the Rock was built for essentially making peace to both Christians and Jews as a sort of universal worship spot. I also know that Jerusalem knew some peace under the Crusaders as well.

But those were merely a few decades, to at most a century, compared to the thousands of years both people brought war to the region.

I should also add, that peace was usually done by a new comer...and usually did not last.


Israel today is pretty much the only country to construct a stable government and loyal population since even before the Romans.

reply to post by r0nsix


Palestine got aid too. 2.5 billion over the course of the first 5 years of Oslo. Continued to grow too. All that happened was that they fell to war and hate.

Peace was tried with the Palestinian people. They have yet to prove themselves capable of managing that peace.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

No actually. Because I don't give a damn about respecting other cultures or sending a message. It's the Jews. The Christians are grafted on.

It is biblical that Christians are adopted. The land is the Jews.

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So what that christianity was a spin-off from judaism? Christianity still has its roots in jeursalem and you know it.

If you do not respect other religious traditions then how and why should anyone respect your religious traditions? I find it ironic that jews demand sympathy from the world by playing the anti-semite card, when they themselves discriminate and isolate their opponents. You cannot have it both ways hypocrite!

And the promised land was in relation to the exodus of the jews from egyptian bondage. That is so old news!

Again I do not have a problem with jews living and claiming israel for themselves with the exception of jerusalem which is truely multi-cultural. You sound just as hateful as hamas, but unlike hamas, jews have western support to get their way all the time, especially financial and military support.

I wonder what the hell israel would do when they get DROPPED like a bad habit and they have to DEFEND THEMSELVES from all of islam. What are you hypocrites going to do then???

reply to post by DarknStormy


Wonderful sources you have there.

Also I'll just mention the ones I don't view as actually wrong:

- Undeclared Nuclear weapons

This is ok to me. And I see no reason a nation must say it has nuclear weapons. Mutual destruction works best that way.

- will not comply with the IAEA

Not following global regulations? ok by me. The US does that in plenty of places and has shown itself to be the better choice.

- Constantly threatening surrounding countries including the bombing of an African nation recently

You mean the one example of that possibly be in Sudan?

Sudan is a terrorist country that was so bad half the nation broke off and formed its own government. I really don't have a problem with the bombing of unstable nations threatening their neighbors.

- Forging Australian and other countries passports to commit crimes against other nations

General actions that both the USSR and US did. Uncomfortable, but not much of a problem to me. That's the Espionage world. Laws don't exactly exist in the world of the spy. Just as long there is probably cause and evidence for what you are doing.

- Building settlements against the views of the international community

This is pretty much the definition of what I don't care about. The land is the Jews as far as I care about. 20 years of unstable and nonfunctional government. Time for new management.

As far as I care about also, virtually every nation in the world is guilty of this in some way or another. Ranging from Spanish speaking settlements across the border in the US, to the current Chinese-Japanese controversies.

Land is owned by those willing to defend it. It's a simple fact

- relentless bombs on childrens heads

This makes no sense, but you're probably taking about bombing children. As you may be able to tell by now, I have no limits places on war. Children, like people in general, are just numbers in war. You try to avoid them, but war is war, and the extermination of your enemy the goal. Hiding behind children will not stop a war. I will let Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Stalingrad, and Dresden speak to the universal historic fact that war does not stop for children.

- assassinating foreign scientists

Once again, espionage is not a problem to me. One of the goals of war is to cripple your enemy. Elimination of specialists would be on that list.

- Funding armed Militias who have vowed to attack them when they are done in Syria and with that now have acquired chemical agents which could be used against Israel in the future

Need a source for that.

- Apparently don't give a toss about the UN because they are above international law

Neither do I. I feel no need to listen to the UN or accept their laws as international law.

Laws are only as effective as those under them are willing to follow them. As China, the US, and Russia are unwilling to follow international law, I see no reason to expect the small nations like Israel and Iran to follow the laws the larger nations won't follow.

The UN, in all regards, is nothing more and nothing less than a statement of Ideals. A manufacturer of social international norms to regard as goals.

- Making false claims about Persian leaders threatening to wipe them off the face of the planet

This is actually true, and continues to be true. You can translate it however you want to. Iran has and continues to, demand Israel be destroyed. Along with other hateful comments out of Israel: there are no gay people and woman are to be submissive.

- Drawing a red line and telling the world enough is enough without any factual evidence to support his argument

A nation with weapons to defend can draw whatever line it wishes.

- Blames Iran for something they are guilty of themselves

And I imagine Russia, China, and the US are guilty of as well. Welcome to international politics. Law is irrelevant here.


By now I hope you realize just how little I care about international law and regulations. They don't exist.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Christianity is a set of beliefs. It owns no land. You will see right in the Bible it says that you're not to be tied to anything in the world. Christianity also essentially ran by what we would call commune in its earliest days.

If you do not respect other religious traditions then how and why should anyone respect your religious traditions? I find it ironic that jews demand sympathy from the world by playing the anti-semite card, when they themselves discriminate and isolate their opponents. You cannot have it both ways hypocrite!

I am Christian and do not anticipate any respect for my beliefs. On the contrary, I like arguing beliefs, seeking truth, and constantly debating what is truth, and what is false. You are not an anti semite for hating my beliefs. Nor an anti christian. These words do not exist to me. It is a choice. To be bound to the world, or not. You are one voice of the human race arguing. I'll hear yours just as anyone else. I have no reason to respect your beliefs, however, should I find them false. I'll leave you to your peace if you leave me to mine. But I will call out what I view as false. In this regard, that Christians have within this world any ownership or right to claim anything. Bible makes it quite clear:

“Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.” (James 1:27)

“If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” (John 15:19)

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? - 2 corinthians 6:14

“Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world – the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life – is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.” (1 John 2:15)

I can go on, but I trust you get the point. Christians own nothing in the world. Neither land, nor cities, nor places. We have no care for the things of the world. We call what is true, basically.

We are here for a moment, and then gone. We are not to be with the world in its actions nor ways.

As a Christian, I could care less if Jerusalem burns or builds. It is a city. It is as nothing for me. Should a nuclear bomb land on it or should sky scrappers go up in it, I would not care either way. It is dust. It will burn away with the old world, one way or another.


They already had to defend themselves from all of Islam. It was called the 6 day war. They won.



And to conclude, you will never see Jerusalem as a multicultural city within our lives. It will only be with one group. And it will burn in the days it goes multicultural.

That's from all three religions, btw.

reply to post by Gorman91


I get it. You are either a mislead evangelist who takes the bible as "the word of god" literally, rather than as a guide for humanity in the spiritual sense(not controlled religious) or you are a babylonian luciferian mystic. The first is naive and the second is pure evil.

Thanks. The world deserves better treatment!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


No, now you're trying to process who I am through your preconceived notions.

Reality is I don't care for religion, nor do I care for your definition of evangelical (which I should add is only one type of evangelical in one country, with one language).


But I do take the Bible literally. And if you think yourself a prophet, then by all means, give me your list of what parts of the bible are true and what parts are false. Surely you, an English speaking young adult 2000 years after it was written, can interpret a 4000 year old Hebrew script. Surely you have the wisdom and knowledge to show us what is true and what is false in the Bible.


Hell, why stop there? Surely this great prophet can also interpret all of Islam, from across the other side of the world and in a different tongue. Surely he can interpret it all.