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“Wait a second, its turning…coming straight for me….am taking evasive action…I can hardly….”
Capt Schaffner: Contact with a set of lights in that area
Fighter Controller: Say again.
Capt Schaffner: Set of lights in that area – closing.
Schaffner then explains he needs to “do some manoeuvring to slow her down a little bit” and radar controllers warn him to “keep a sharp look out.”
Fighter Controller: 45 Patrington you are dark on me this time – check target’s heading and your own over. C45 Patrington do you read over.
Do you read – over. Do you read – over.
“I don’t think that we will ever get to the bottom of what happened because the RAF would never accept that a UFO could be involved.” www.crowdedskies.com...
“…Who was the anonymous source and what was his motivation for seeding a bogus story into the UFO rumour mill?”
“During the late afternoon and early evening of 23rd January 1974 there was an exercise from Jurby Range on the Isle of Man.
“ The exercise was called ‘Photoflash' and coastguards were advised to expect at least 10 aircraft taking part and at least 80 flashes around the Liverpool Bay area and the North Wales coastline .”
“…the flying saucer was first seen at lunchtime on Friday (Feb.4th 1977), behind a bush about 300 yards from the school. Most of the children give the object a classical saucer shape, though other s have drawn it looking more like a pudding, or even a cigar. Some accounts give it a dome and windows; others say it had a flashing light.
The British delegation does not think that the establishment of an agency for research into unidentified flying objects is appropriate to the functions of the United Nations. ...
Hopefully, a confrontation with the representatives of Grenada can be avoided, but the U.K. should not hesitate to make its views known as and when appropriate. ...
“there is nothing to convince the Government that there has ever been a single visit by an alien spacecraft…..As for telling the public the truth about UFOs, the truth is simple.There really are many strange phenomena in the sky, and these are invariably reported by rational people. But there is a wide range of natural explanations to account for such phenomena. There is nothing to suggest to Her Majesty’s Government that such phenomena are alien spacecraft.”
Originally posted by Thunda
Nice thread, thanks.
Regarding Capt. William Schaffner and the BAE Lightning case- apart from the fact that the supposed 'Shackleton' ASV aircraft that was somehow 'mistaken' for a UFO (even though its position and call sign would have been well known to GCI and the Lightning pilot) the biggest hole in the official story for me is the suggestion that Schaffner somehow put the Lightning down for a forced landing on the sea.
If you see the official pictures of the aircraft after it was recovered from the sea bed, it is almost completely intact. Now look at the design of the Lightning, with a large air intake in the nose. I suggest that this would have immediately filled with water on impact, dragging the nose of the aircraft down and probably disintegrating the airframe- bear in mind the Lightening was known to have a high stall speed and a high landing speed, so any attempted 'ditching' would have been at 100 MPH minimum.
Plus, I personally know an ex-RAF Lightning pilot who had a 'flame out' over the North Sea in the 1970's, and it was RAF policy not to attempt to ditch into the sea, but to eject- which he did, breaking his back in the process. Now, its claimed that Schaffner's ejector seat failed to activate, but that just means he had to attempt to ditch, not that it made it any more likely he would survive the attempt.
The Lightning was a fast climbing, mach 2 interceptor, designed to launch against oncoming Soviet bombers- it was popular with its crew, but was a handful to fly for even experienced pilots- now its said Schaffner, although an experienced pilot, didnt have many hours on the Lightning, so to suggest that he somehow gently skipped his stricken aircraft, at night, into the North Sea, then climbed out, leaving an almost entirely intact wreck for the RAF to later find, is beyond ridiculous to me.