A list of already debunked theories, re: Sandy hook

reply to post by swansong19


I'd be more interested in asking if either of the black vehicles there are the Honda?
No matter how much I blow it up or down, it still looks like two SUVs.
It doesn't look like crime scene tape yet the other vehicles look parked awfully
close.

Also, I am curious about the two empty parking places front and center.
It's as if someone left.

And as usual no areial depicts children being evacuated.

reply to post by CosmicBob


You know what Bob...if you want to help...please do. I appreciate it. I have no issue with admitting a mistake...I've already done it once in this thread. If you find more, point them out. I think those of us participating are just trying to get some answers.

Based on those new photos I would alter my original claim.

So do me a favor and stow the condescension, ok?

Originally posted by peashooter
HI everyone!!! Recently joined this forum due to this specific tragedy.

I have watched a video on youtube that rocked me off my chair.
There is NO DOUBT that something was staged, the firetrucks, ambulances and everyone were packed at the fire station INSTEAD of the school. The video even shows a SIGN that said "Sandy Hook School" even though from google maps it is the fire station. Also the little girl in the photo who should be deceased took a photo with OBAMA, which is a big mess up. The girl happened to be in "Robbie"s "family".




www.youtube.com...

At about 4 minutes you can see the school vs fire station. At 12 minutes you can see the photo comparison.

What's going on here?

It wasn't the dead girl, it was her sister...shock horror that siblings look alike, but that's all there is to it

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by swansong19

 

I'd be more interested in asking if either of the black vehicles there are the Honda?
No matter how much I blow it up or down, it still looks like two SUVs.
It doesn't look like crime scene tape yet the other vehicles look parked awfully
close.

Also, I am curious about the two empty parking places front and center.
It's as if someone left.

And as usual no areial depicts children being evacuated.

I have here again a collection of images which will help you in this regard. Although there is no aerial pic of the evacuation, you still can compare the cars in the parking lot and see that they are the same. So the images are most likely taken at the same day.

wide aerial view of the school and parking lot:
www.collegian.com...

1st group of children evacuated from school:
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www.ryot.org...

2nd group of children evacuated from school:
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child + 2 women rescued from school:
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media.salon.com...

same child reunited with parent (what a coincidence to take pic of same child)
darkroom.baltimoresun.com...

friendly woman with the "Alicia" tag (who is this woman and what's written on the tag?)
darkroom.baltimoresun.com...

Now what is interesting is that when you look at the images which are marked with and compare them with the video at 0:54 (where the front glass of the school is broken) then it seems that the front glass is intact in the last photo marked with Was the front glass broken after the shooting (of the photos) ? Do we have a smoking gun here that the broken glass was doctored afterwards?
Or am I wrong here?

EDIT: I looked again and I think the upper edge where the glass is broken might be still covered by the Ford, so unfortunatelly it can not be easily determined if the glass was already broken or not at the time when the photo was taken.

reply to post by Ladyk74


If these times and what was reported as being said prove to be accurate, then it just adds to the list of things that don't make sense.

09:48AM - Recording at 05:11: "Might possibly need a second medic" (3)

Might need a second medic? So all of this carnage and they might need a second medic. Just maybe.

09:46Am - Recording at 02:59:"We got bodies here" (3)

Who is checking said bodies for vitals, and why aren't they requesting more ambulances by now?

10:03AM - Recording at 29:28: "Bringing a group of young kids out the front" (1)

Is this the first group of children that was escorted out of the building?

10:03AM - Recording at 20:06:"What is the number of ambulances you require? Response:"They don't know, they're not giving us a number" (3)

So 10:03, and not even a rough estimate for more ambulances. Heck, not even a request for one. So by 10:03, "they've" checked all of the vitals of all of the victims, and have concluded that they won't need ambulances? Or is it by 10:03, they hadn't even found the victims in the two front classrooms yet? I don't understand..."They're not giving us a number" - why not? Why not just give a rough estimate to err on the side of caution?

10:11AM - Recording at 28:16: "I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in now, can we create that staging area, command area, within the fire eh Sandy Hook School parking area?" (3)

10:12AM - Recording at 28:26: "Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we'll follow up" (3)

Wow. They really don't seem to want any ambulances near the scene. Or any ambulances period.

10:25AM - Recording at 20:31:- "We got a large group coming out the front door"

So a little less than an hour later, and a large group is being evacuated. Not very fast if you ask me.

10:29AM - Recording at 24:18: "Roger, closet in the kitchen, it has some victims"

Victims??? And again, not very fast at evacuating the building.

Usually they say something about having "black" victims for people who are dead. So why is there none of that in this audio? Why did they not request ambulances, and by the sounds of it, actually turn them away???

Here you can see how they evacuated. They just rushed with the stretchers to the school. The traffic was totally blocked by state police. You can see this when you compare the 2 pics: The woman in the red pullover which is in the background at the right side in the pic at the top managed to run to the foreground left side in the pic at the bottom. The cars on the street however didn't move one inch in this time.

Of course, why would you want to drive with ambulances to the school when you can go by foot and use stretchers.

reply to post by Marlow


Unbelievable. This defies all logic in my opinion. Who hasn't seen horrific accidents before? The police ALWAYS close the road to traffic. So why didn't they do that here? And look at the cars parked closest to the yellow line, the middle of the road; the majority of them are cop cars. Good thing they didn't need ambulances, they wouldn't have gotten through. Nobody can explain this photo away. It makes no sense to wheel the stretchers up to the school. None. And then if they had to transport victims to a hospital? Wheel them all the way back to the ambulances? That's the fastest and safest way they thought they could do this to potentially save lives? Please. None of the emergency personnel seem to be in much of a hurry either.

reply to post by Marlow


09:36AM - Recording at 23:45: "Sandy Hook School, the front glass has been broken out, they're unsure why" (2)

My personal opinion is they did not doctor with the glass or break the glass afterwards. Because if you look at the timeline, they escort groups out of the front door on a later time.

reply to post by Marlow


Great work digging up those pics Marlow.

Considering how many people are just standing there watching the evacuation I'm quite surprised pics aren't easier to find.

reply to post by Marlow


Doesn't look like the people with the stretchers are "rushing". Comapred to the other woman in the pic I'd say they are strolling...not really in a running rush.

reply to post by Ladyk74


Wow...fantastic job LK.

That must have taken quite a bit of time and patience to put together.

Certainly makes examining them much easier.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Ladyk74
Note the numbers on the end of each entry (1) (2) (3) or (4) refer to the recording listed above. The last entries without a number all refer to recording (4) , I had no more characters left in my post.

Timeline 2 will follow at a later time.

Can someone please listen to :

09:40AM - Recording at 26:41: "Police officer screams something I can't understand (INPUT) (2)

Maybe somebody else has an idea what he could possibly be saying, so that I can edit my post.

edit on 2-1-2013 by Ladyk74 because: (no reason given)

Sounds like he's saying " coming up the driveway...left side ."

Well, the new Sandy Hook School was holding an open house today.
The formerly named Chalk Hill Middle School was re-christened Sandy Hook Elementary.

It was made to look as much like the old school as possible, right down to the crayons on
the desk or so the articles chortle.

My question is why? Why not name it Chalk Hill Elementary?
This is just another anolmalie to me and seems like you can almost think this was in the works
for some time now, the closing of one school to be reborn somewhere else.
I would think you wouldn't want any reminders of the tragedy at the school.
Why even move to a new location if everything is made to seem the same anyway?

Then there's this: The school superintendent says ALL the teachers were there today.
Well, isn't that special.

Did they hire more or never needed to because these were all "extras" to start with.
I am amazed how many of the teachers were new hires and for many of the involved
families this is a new town for them, too.

news.yahoo.com...
See video link.

Oh yeah, the lawyer who's case I knew was just a gambit to start with, the attorney withdrew due to
backlash. But, it did give that goose of realism this case is sorely lacking in certain areas.

I found a link to a story that wouldn't open up a week ago that said Newtown School Board has 35 new hires.
I would have loved to see that list.

Zoom this pic.

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It does not look like a black sedan of any make or model in the spot where the Lanza car is allegedly later.
I still say they both look like SUVs.

Has anybody found a pic of an areial to show what vehicles were parked in the now empty parking spaces front and center?

In the upstream pic posted of the alleged second group of kids being evac'ed, I do not understand why there
would be these parents there after the police arrived on scene and blocked off and established a perimeter.
So ambulances have to park up the street eh, but photogs from the news and assorted peeps can hang about the site of an alleged mass shooting? If they say so, right?

reply to post by PaperbackWriter


The link isn't taking me to the exact pic you're speaking of...but if it's the one I think, those are SUVs. If you look closely you can see where the enterance to the school is...the Honda is back there blocked partially by a tree.

Does anyone have...or is anyone aware of...ANY video of the evacuations?

There are clearly people there...taking pictures...but I haven't seen any video.

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reply to post by Marlow


Take a look at the EMT with the crew cut in the first shot and where he is in relation to the black Audi, it looks like he is a few steps passed it, then in the second shot he has moved forward approx 5 feet. You're right about the lady in the red shirt, she is bookin it, as is the man in the ball cap.

The second photo is zoomed in, or Ms Hicks stepped forward.

Cop cars all over the place and stationary, at least in these photos, one ambulance. No urgency displayed by any officials, just the red shirt lady and guy in cap. Very odd. EMT's look bored. You'd think they'd all be running.

Good find.

reply to post by swansong19


Must have taken quite some time if they only had the same woman officer to walk them over to the fire
department each class.

I still have a hard time with this taking place in temps in the 30s that time of the morning still.


Here is a link to another pic I can't figure out another way to isolate the pic I want.
Thanks for the info about the other pic being too far off frame to show the Honda.

But in this one, it really shows the glaring absense of two vehicles in the parking lot,
Also, it seems that the Admin or whatever the upper tier of spaces were designated for seem
strangely vacant as well.

fotoforensics.com...

Originally posted by PaperbackWriterThanks for the info about the other pic being too far off frame to show the Honda.

No problem. I have an intimate familiarity with misindentifying photo evidence.

I still contend that were we allowed to discuss this openly some of the things we're focusing on could be explained away. Makes it a lot harder when you're forced to hide in the shadows.

Figure them shoes are state police issue?

Maybe she's a teacher not a cop? Looks like she has a sidearm, tho. No body armor for such a dangerous situation tho?

If she's not a cop...how'd she get the jacket? Someone gave it to her to keep her warm...but didn't let the kids get their's?

They only had that same woman to lead kids away?

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