A list of already debunked theories, re: Sandy hook, page 51

reply to post by Receptive

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There are indeed questions; I won' deny that at all. However, some can, possibly, be explained, without it being anything sinister. There could, of course, be a more sinister explanation. The possibilities I offer are only guesses, like any others.

Talking to a relative of mine recently, I heard her account of an incident in her own neighborhood, some years back. Some guy decided to take his wife hostage, at gunpoint, in their home. The entrance to the neighborhood was temporarily blocked off, because his house was within firing range of there, and homes surrounding his were evacuated, for safety. Other than access, most in the neighborhood were not affected. No one was injured in the end, and the man was arrested. News reports, however, were a bit different. Some "witnesses" claimed that the man killed his wife and their children (they had none). Some claimed the entire neighborhood was emptied. Other ridiculous statements were made as well, that the press reported as though they were factual witness statements. Only because she lived there, and knew people in the neighborhood, did my relative know that these stories were not real.

The point there is that there could be such fake witnesses in some of these cases as well. Not necessarily someone paid to lie, but people that simply want attention. In looking at these cases, we need to keep that possibility in mind.

If that was ALL there was, I would write the whole thing off as the fault of careless media and glory hounds lying to them. That doesn't seem to be all there is to it, though.

I think the best thing we can do is what you seem to be going. gather the information. Save it, if you aren't already. Copy and paste the stories to documents, save the links, and even get screen shots of the pages. Make notes on any and all discrepancies. Once everything seems settled, then we can take a closer look, and see what isn't explained, what can be, and so forth.

I have been suspicious of many of these shootings, for some time now (thread on that in signature), but with this one, I don't know what to think. No clear feeling, one way or another, about the case. With others, I had those. With this one, and so many children involved, emotions get in the way, and it's harder to see.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

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Why do people have firearms in their homes? Most people buy them to protect their property and family. I would imagine it would not be harmful to gun owners to have their registrations public since it would deter any criminals from entering their homes while they were present. It would be the folks that didn't have a firearm that would become vulnerable to an average criminal.

However...I believe the purpose of the disclosure was to "shame" the gun owner since that is what the MSM is running with right now; the vilification of gun owners.

Well, yes, shame is a factor. Safety is as well, though. Criminals that know who has guns can now break into those homes when no one is there, and steal them. They can know those people are armed, and strike first, killing the occupants, possibly. Forewarned is forearmed, after all.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
It is a psy-op, and you watch, it will work. It is a coordinated attack on citizens exercising their constitutional right to bear arms. Like they are some type of lawless individual. It is an assault that is intended to vilify and intimidate.

It is working. All you have to do to see that is look at the gun control people's comments, directed at gun owners.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
And while I am at it...I am tired of people on this forum and others like it, calling the participating populace out on being chicken of confronting the government that is oppressing us. Real tired of it! How do you fight against a population that is controlled by a mass media that directs their content to disinform, divide and conquer, and cause anger at a population that has nothing to do with it's woes?? Freeeek, I talk to family members and friends about looking past what they are served up daily and they either look at me like I have blown a gasket, or they want to argue with me about some issue that they have been so completely brainwashed about.

I have family members like that. Little to no interest in any current events or political issues, that act as though none of it affects them. I haven't heard comments berating people like that, though.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
We are fighting a losing battle. Shoot, half the country hates the other half. We can't even be respectful of each other here, on a conspiracy board??? Why? Because they are constantly creating division and pitting us against each other.

Take for example the last election: this country was divided almost in half, if you are to believe the election results, which I question myself.

That division is part of the plan. Look at how multiculturalism is pushed. The election results? Whole thing was a joke.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
*snip*
Ha ha ha ha. I laugh in your face. Tell me how you are gonna protect your family when there is a frickin drone flying over your house and you have been reduced to a 22 caliber handgun. Don't you dare blame us, us Americans, for that. WE didn't do this to our country and we are powerless. There are those that see what is happening but are powerless to affect ANY change.

Oh, what do you want us to do??? Confront our government? Really? How do you think that is going to end up? Well, I think that all the preparations have been placed to confront anyone who would wish to defy the current and coming police state.

You keyboard warriors, you go ahead and do the recon.

Not sure who you refer to with all of that. I have heard a lot of people discuss what TPTB might be doing, bot haven't heard anyone comment on specific actions, or call anyone names for not planning such. What I have seen is people talking about getting all the facts out to as many as possible, so that more are informed.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by sconner755

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Don't be obtuse. I am not the enemy.

It appears you are trying to blame me for the problems that we, collectively are facing??? Right?

I see right through you.

What exactly do you do for a living?

You know, just yesterday I was reading a most interesting list about tactics that can be used to subvert threads, and compromise activists. Things like asking for personal information, and talking about illegal actions, were prominent on that list.

What any of that stuff you've posted has to do with this case is beyond me.

reply to post by sconner755

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I would be careful of such things, myself.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

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Thanks for sharing. Yeah, I get you. There can be a bunch of confusion in the beginning of an event such as the one you described. However the police and fire audio from this event was a first hand account of what was happening within minutes of the arrival of the police. Those transmissions are what have caused all of my suspicions. Yes there were many inaccurate msm reports in the beginning and still are for that matter, we don't really know. I think the press conferences and the emergency transmissions are the events that cause me the most pause. As well as, the immediate political response; that raises many red flags.

So I agree with you in you summation, but there is much more to this case. Take care.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

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Not sure who you refer to with all of that. I have heard a lot of people discuss what TPTB might be doing, bot haven't heard anyone comment on specific actions, or call anyone names for not planning such. What I have seen is people talking about getting all the facts out to as many as possible, so that more are informed.

With the utmost of respect, I see it frequently and twice today. Calling people out to fight our government and how the reason we are in this situation is because it is our fault for not fighting. I really resent that.

The separate recordings are available to everyone who is willing to pay a "subscriber fee". The recording that we initially listened to, was a mix of recordings and it was implied that the broadcasts are all traffic overlays and not related to the incident.

Luckily they have been uploaded, so I will share them here by my friend, and everyone can make up their own mind and do their own independent thinking. Below you can find the original unmixed versions.

Link First Recording

Fairfield County Police Fire and EMS 12-14-2012 10:04-10:34 am Courtesy of RadioReference.Com

Times of interest:
1:35 Connecticut 872YEO
Possible suspect vehicle 1:55
Squad 3 to HQ I have run the operator He has Fl and Conn license NAME + DOB
24:18- Closet in the kitchen has victims 26:56 Kitchen has teacher and 18 kids
30:00 Scene no longer active

LINK SECOND RECORDING

Fairfield County Police Fire and EMS 12-14-2012 10:33-11:04am Courtesy of RadioReference.Com
Times of interest: 21:15 All cars not already on scene meet at troop A Last report at least 1 suspect at large Might need to deploy elsewhere

LINK THIRD RECORDING

Fairfield County Police Fire and EMS 12-14-2012 11:03-11:33am Courtesy of RadioReference.Com
Times of interest: 5:45 Danbury is reporting possible suspect vehicle 2 occupants possible ski mask
6:30 The lady involved in this incident.......reports 1 suspect might be wearing nun outfit

reply to post by sconner755

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Originally posted by sconner755
reply to post by Receptive

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No, this is the opposite of an excellent post. It's moronic to try to fit one's perceptions of what one believes reality is supposed to be into what reality is when one don't know the facts.

It's a complete exercise in futility, at best pointing out discrepancies in very poor journalistic standards combined with and plethora of your own misinterpretations.

(snip)

Sconner755, how do you know when you have enough facts to form any theory? Can you form a theory with just one fact?

Journalistic standards or quality is hardly a factor in these very specific statements that I have cited, by specific, credible witnesses who give their full names and are independently verifiable. You can't fault the journalist when the police themselves state that they found "seven sets of eyes" in the closet or when the Licatas and the Maksels fondly describe to us how it was that two groups of kids from that class had positively arrived at the Newtown police station. Or when they state that exactly 5 students from Bryce's class were at the firehouse.

Tell me, how do you interpret those statements? Are you saying that these people did not make those statements?

reply to post by CosmicBob

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I have a really hard time believing that someone (and a woman, for that matter), at the very beginning of all this decided, "Ohhh I'm gonna give a statement to some reporter AND I'm gonna pretend I'm the principal of the school." Everyone keeps saying what a small town it is...who's to say that the reporter wouldn't turn around to the next person, pointing out what the "principal" had just told him/her. Word travels fast. Next thing you know, that woman's known around town as the moron who impersonated a dead principal. I don't buy this story for a second. I'm not saying she's alive, I just don't buy their excuse for the mistake. Perhaps the reporter got the information/name wrong, or the entire story wrong, but I highly doubt someone represented herself as the principal unless she really was the principal.

Originally posted by Receptive
reply to post by sconner755

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Originally posted by sconner755
reply to post by Receptive

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No, this is the opposite of an excellent post. It's moronic to try to fit one's perceptions of what one believes reality is supposed to be into what reality is when one don't know the facts.

It's a complete exercise in futility, at best pointing out discrepancies in very poor journalistic standards combined with and plethora of your own misinterpretations.

(snip)

Sconner755, how do you know when you have enough facts to form any theory? Can you form a theory with just one fact?

Journalistic standards or quality is hardly a factor in these very specific statements that I have cited, by specific, credible witnesses who give their full names and are independently verifiable. You can't fault the journalist when the police themselves state that they found "seven sets of eyes" in the closet or when the Licatas and the Maksels fondly describe to us how it was that two groups of kids from that class had positively arrived at the Newtown police station. Or when they state that exactly 5 students from Bryce's class were at the firehouse.

Tell me, how do you interpret those statements? Are you saying that these people did not make those statements?

edit on 31-12-2012 by Receptive because: spelling

Why is it important for you to make aspersions against ordinary citizens connected to this event?

Welcome to 21st century, interactive murder porn.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
reply to post by CosmicBob

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I have a really hard time believing that someone (and a woman, for that matter), at the very beginning of all this decided, "Ohhh I'm gonna give a statement to some reporter AND I'm gonna pretend I'm the principal of the school." Everyone keeps saying what a small town it is...who's to say that the reporter wouldn't turn around to the next person, pointing out what the "principal" had just told him/her. Word travels fast. Next thing you know, that woman's known around town as the moron who impersonated a dead principal. I don't buy this story for a second. I'm not saying she's alive, I just don't buy their excuse for the mistake. Perhaps the reporter got the information/name wrong, or the entire story wrong, but I highly doubt someone represented herself as the principal unless she really was the principal.

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Or maybe the press just spoke to some woman, decided to assume she was the principal and then googled the principal's name and put that to the interview they had...

That's not such a stretch of the imagination, is it?

reply to post by destination now

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You do know the Newtown Bee had two reporters allegedly on the scene of the school at a quarter to 11am.
And what did they manage to come up with? One photo.

No interviews that I have read. Yet, someone from the school calls the Newtown Bee to give an interview?
Who would call them up at a time like that in any case, but especially why if they already had reporters though, evidently figuring out how to forward the film so they could take more than one photo. LoL.

There's something not quite right about this. Mostly because once police arrived on the scene I would expect the press would have been moved back well before 10am.
But, here's the thing, the reporter, (forgot her name), claims she arrived there under the guise of her job as a volunteer fire personnel, but once she got there, did nothing in that regard, but assumed her reporter's role instead (such as it was), and then says she headed back to the office to direct publication and arrange a fund-raising benefit, then passed it over to another reporter without fire department creds to even be there.

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