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A list of already debunked theories, re: Sandy hook

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posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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I love me some human alien!!!!


And one thing, this is different from 9/11. As SO himself even said. SH threads involved implicating innocent civilians, posting of license plates and private information, to addresses! 9/11 implications never went there. It implicated public figureheads. You may disagree, but I continue, and others do as well, that here is a difference between SH and 9/11. A big one.




posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Anyone can practice thier freedom of speech and start their OWN website saying whatever they want (short of libel), but the owner of ATS has made it clear what will and will not be accepted. You don't have to like it, but I think anyone who wants to be a member needs to respect it.


I think you summed it up nice there. Some seem to think they are on the street and fail to realize this is a website with an owner that has rules.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Laykilla I think ATS Staff needs to calm it self. If people violated the T&C suspend them, ban them -- whatever. If the T&C was not violated... then you are allowing personal opinion to override what is right.

Simple.

Threatening all of ATS with a mass U2U is out of line. Saying a topic could be "Banned" of discussion is pretty draconian, and I'm sure will go over like lead balloon.


I have to agree with this. I understand that the owners of this site are human beings and as human beings we all have feelings and emotions which sometimes override our ability to stay objective. I respect them more knowing that they are compassionate human beings just like the rest of us. However, leaders and business owners must hold themselves to a higher standard. Its not fair and its not even just barely more than possible sometimes. But that's the way it is.

You grew your small, cozy, and manageable group to an enormous entity with millions of unmanageable, unpredictable, emotional, and wholly unique followers. You did this willingly and with purpose. The growth changes everything and it comes with an enormous amount of responsibility. You chose to take that route. Like I said....its not entirely fair that you have to now be something close to superhuman in your dealings with the people here. But that's just the way it is. Its like being a parent. You can't just fall apart and start ranting at the entire group because a few dissapointed you.

I quite honestly can not believe that this issue is STILL carrying on with the site owner at the helm.

S.O. I truly thought that you would be able to get yourself together between last night and today, but quite honestly..its like you are a totally different person all of a sudden with the passing of this terrible tragedy in Connecticut.

If you are angry with some of your followers then tell them exactly what they did wrong (and I do mean exactly...not just broadly waved generalizations), make new rules if your current frustrations are not covered in the ones we have now, and bring the hammer down on the ones who have violated the current rules if they are already in place. But stop yelling at the rest of us. And stop putting yourself up on display as an emotionally unchecked ranter. And for pete's sake...pull yourself together man.

I tried to be subtle and gracious and avoid pushing you into a corner last or pointing any fingers. But this is your baby, S.O. Pull it together and take care of business so that ATS can move forward and continue to grow into what you want it to be.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Thank you, and thank you, and thank you some more. Keep up the excellent work. And know, we are with you every step of the way. I made a heroes of Newtown thread discussing the heroic actions of those teachers sacrificing themselves to save children. Even that, I felt like I did too soon. But I did it because of so many on the CT of Sandy Hook. I felt the board could use something positive in such a horrible tragedy.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by Human_Alien
 
I do not disagree with what you've said.
But where there is a lack of evidence, there will remain questions.




That's okay. I'm not here for a popularity contest.

But, lack of what evidence? I didn't realize the detectives and the Feds were keeping you abreast on their every move, find, motive and conclusion.
There just seems to be this tremendous void of respect but a whole lot of unfounded speculation instead.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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I ain't posted on any SH threads because I have nothing to add to the topic. It is a tragedy. Tragedies happen from time to time. Doesn't mean we stop being who we are.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Maybe some of these people are not heartless, just nuts..

Ignorance is bliss, if people want to make stuff up to configure their own conspiracy to sandy hook
might it be not the hearts missing but the brain



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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You are a member of his site. His rules. It doesnt matter if this site has grown to epic proportions. The rules have always remained the same. Nothing needs to change. If you want to discuss a horrific tragedy, and make it a conspiracy. (And yes make ita conspiracy, because mis reading 'evidence' you honestly dont know anything about, me too, is leaping to conclusions.) Then make your own website.

Again. SO isnt ranting, hes pleading. Pleading with his members to remember why they are here in the first place. And it certainly is not to do what has been going on in the SH threads
edit on 25-12-2012 by bknapple32 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Oh my gosh people.

This is about COMPASSION. It's as simple as that.

The owners have every right in the world to do and say as they wish. It is THEIR site. THEY have built ATS into what it is,and if they want to state their FEELINGS about this, than they can!

I really can't believe the self-absorbed comments I am seeing. Go start your own flippin message board.

I am personally grateful that they are attempting to keep ATS a place where I want to post.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien
The way some ATSers are ripping apart this incredible nightmare to a subatomic level ....is truly disheartening. I thought the members here were a little more sophisticated than what I've witnessed the past several weeks.

I think some people simply can't cope and wrap their heads around such bone chilling events like this (and Aurora) so they start reinventing scenarios (i.e., NWO agenda to disarm Americans)!

We're all a little more cynical after 9-11. Grant it--- however, that doesn't give us license to tear apart every single unfathomable event (hurricanes included) the way you are. It's not only disrespectful, it's insane.

Frankly?.....I am more disturbed by the ATSers who are drawing these twisted lines, connecting invisible dots and injecting bedazzling bull**it than I am of the killers themselves. For these disturbed people are the very ones who want to hoard the guns and ammo and live next door to me. You are all crazy!!!

I would love to see all these SandyHook threads tossed in the abyss somewhere. Thank you Springer for bringing logic and lecture back to this out-of-control topic.


Wow, pure propaganda post! Why don't you tell us that little kids died, so it's insensitive/disrespectful to question the government and media's account of the event? Even though the motive trail leads right to Obama's doorstep? Can't you try and hide whose payroll you're on?



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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The rules are already in place, but that doesnt mean people are following them. Both Springer and SO have stated the site's stance on this topic. It is not THEM who is creating the issue here. It is the outright lunacy and lack of any evidence, while dragging people through the mud with accusations that have no merit that some members are using in an attempt to serve their own ego.

As I have been saying all along with this subject, there are many questions that need answers. And likely, we will never get some of those answers. Some of the questions CANT be answered. We should try and answer them as much as we can. But we cant just make up questions and answers for the fun of it.

There was a point where ATS was a conspiracy site that was a place that could be held to a higher standard than most of the other sites out there. Taboo theories were brought up, but once proven false, were left to evaporate into the ether. On the topic of sandy hook, however, even the theories that are shown to be false, or that lack any evidence to merit any consideration, have been continuously stated as fact. All logic has been ignored. And those who point out the lack of evidence and/or logic are vehemently attacked.

I, for one, am thrilled to see Springer and SO clamp down on this topic. Discussion needs to be had-but lets all remember, this is not GLP. There are standards here.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by idunno12
 


You are a member of his site. His rules. It doesnt matter if this site has grown to epic proportions. The rules have always remained the same. Nothing needs to change. If you want to discuss a horrific tragedy, and make it a conspiracy. And yes make ita conspiracy, because mis reading 'evidence' you honestly dont know anything about, me too, is leaping to conclusions.

Again. SO isnt ranting, hes pleading. Pleading with his members to remember why they are here in the first place. And it certainly is not to do what has been going on in the SH threads


A crime has three crucial elements. Means, motive, and opportunity. Adam Lanza potentially had the means and opportunity. However, the motive leads straight to Obama's doorstep. And guess what, the CIA/FBI/Military Psy Ops Dept/etc all had means and opportunity too! They lied about 9/11, and they can lie about killing little kids too! I'm tired of all the employees not even trying to hide the real reason they're here!



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by EffTheCIA

Originally posted by Human_Alien
The way some ATSers are ripping apart this incredible nightmare to a subatomic level ....is truly disheartening. I thought the members here were a little more sophisticated than what I've witnessed the past several weeks.

I think some people simply can't cope and wrap their heads around such bone chilling events like this (and Aurora) so they start reinventing scenarios (i.e., NWO agenda to disarm Americans)!

We're all a little more cynical after 9-11. Grant it--- however, that doesn't give us license to tear apart every single unfathomable event (hurricanes included) the way you are. It's not only disrespectful, it's insane.

Frankly?.....I am more disturbed by the ATSers who are drawing these twisted lines, connecting invisible dots and injecting bedazzling bull**it than I am of the killers themselves. For these disturbed people are the very ones who want to hoard the guns and ammo and live next door to me. You are all crazy!!!

I would love to see all these SandyHook threads tossed in the abyss somewhere. Thank you Springer for bringing logic and lecture back to this out-of-control topic.


Wow, pure propaganda post! Why don't you tell us that little kids died, so it's insensitive/disrespectful to question the government and media's account of the event? Even though the motive trail leads right to Obama's doorstep? Can't you try and hide whose payroll you're on?


More accusations from people who have no idea what they are talking about. You have , what 100 posts? H.A has 8,000. I highly doubt hes the one on the payroll out of the two of you. Blind accusation......


And you wonder why SO is so peeved with your approach to this site.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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I respect and affirm the T&C of this community: The prohibitions on posting personal information, the admonishment to show courtesy and respect in our communication with one another, and the instruction to avoid discussion of certain legally sensitive subjects.

I do, however, reject the appeal to emotion that underlies the suggestion that open discussion of the Sandy Hook shooting should be suspended on the basis that it is offensive or insensitive to the feelings of those touched by the tragedy.

I understand that this has been a difficult and frustrating incident for the Owners and Mods. I would like to remind both Springer and S.O. that I am innocent of all that they have righteously and rightly condemned. My purpose in this thread was, is, and will remain: the continued defense of free inquiry in the face of popular rejection on the basis of perceived emotional insensitivity.

I encourage Springer and S.O. to carefully read my statements, and determine for themselves that this has been the case.

-R



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by EffTheCIA

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by idunno12
 


You are a member of his site. His rules. It doesnt matter if this site has grown to epic proportions. The rules have always remained the same. Nothing needs to change. If you want to discuss a horrific tragedy, and make it a conspiracy. And yes make ita conspiracy, because mis reading 'evidence' you honestly dont know anything about, me too, is leaping to conclusions.

Again. SO isnt ranting, hes pleading. Pleading with his members to remember why they are here in the first place. And it certainly is not to do what has been going on in the SH threads


A crime has three crucial elements. Means, motive, and opportunity. Adam Lanza potentially had the means and opportunity. However, the motive leads straight to Obama's doorstep. And guess what, the CIA/FBI/Military Psy Ops Dept/etc all had means and opportunity too! They lied about 9/11, and they can lie about killing little kids too! I'm tired of all the employees not even trying to hide the real reason they're here!


Congrats, you certainly know how to pull the name 'obama' into every post. Doesn't make a lick of what you say accurate or true though.


Why am I even responding... to a poster whose first line of defense is "paid govt shill!"



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
More accusations from people who have no idea what they are talking about. You have , what 100 posts? H.A has 8,000. I highly doubt hes the one on the payroll out of the two of you. Blind accusation......


And you wonder why SO is so peeved with your approach to this site.


So peeved with *my* approach to this site? And you're saying *I'm* making blind accusations? Oh yes and clearly I work for the government since I suggest that they're behind these massacres for their own political agenda, while you're on here backing them up all day every day!



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by EffTheCIA

Originally posted by bknapple32
More accusations from people who have no idea what they are talking about. You have , what 100 posts? H.A has 8,000. I highly doubt hes the one on the payroll out of the two of you. Blind accusation......


And you wonder why SO is so peeved with your approach to this site.


So peeved with *my* approach to this site? And you're saying *I'm* making blind accusations? Oh yes and clearly I work for the government since I suggest that they're behind these massacres for their own political agenda, while you're on here backing them up all day every day!


Blind accusations? Exactly what SO is talking about. Yes, calling H.A or myself, a paid government shill is a blind accusation. Because you simply haven't been here long enough to think that. Have you been here for our thousands of other posts on hundreds of other topics? We were here long before SH, and you. And we will be here after SH and long after you.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by EffTheCIA

Originally posted by bknapple32
More accusations from people who have no idea what they are talking about. You have , what 100 posts? H.A has 8,000. I highly doubt hes the one on the payroll out of the two of you. Blind accusation......


And you wonder why SO is so peeved with your approach to this site.


So peeved with *my* approach to this site? And you're saying *I'm* making blind accusations? Oh yes and clearly I work for the government since I suggest that they're behind these massacres for their own political agenda, while you're on here backing them up all day every day!

I hate to reiterate things but...

If this is a conspiracy of any sort (please note: IF) then it has nothing to do with "gun control"- But what I do is is a "line being drawn" in what we can question and an emotional divide from people on all sides.

This has "divided" the nation more than anything I have seen- Even non political folks are debating "gun control" on facebook-

If there IS a conspiracy, its to stop meaningful discussion- These victims have all but been forgotten and are being used as by everyone to further their agenda.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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You shouldn’t even respond to attacks like that. It is posts like his that will wind up getting this thread closed.

It doesn’t seem like anyone is interested in the facts anyways they seem more preoccupied with throwing stuff at the wall to see if it sticks and flaming at the rules.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Robonakka
I ain't posted on any SH threads because I have nothing to add to the topic. It is a tragedy. Tragedies happen from time to time. Doesn't mean we stop being who we are.



But what if you're heartless? Apathetic? Using your energy in a negative, erroneous and counter-productive way?

Sometimes people DO need to check themselves and straighten out.

I too haven't been that active on these threads (until I received SO message earlier) because in my heart and my logic....I just don't see a conspiracy. Not even remotely.

But the Alex Jones fan club sure do. They see this as a pre-staged event (with ACTORS too) to eradicate the 2nd amendment while the media mislead them on purpose due to the real agenda.
When does this stop?

People seem more concerned about their gun Rights right now..... than the lost of 27 lives last week. It's just unconscionable to me and many others.

So do some people need to change? You're damn right they do.

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