ATS?
Merry Christmas.
I have to ask you all? Are you really ready to just jump right back in to this? If we start in about 1969 or so, we are looking at about 43 years of
riding this pointless train to Marakesh.
The train died when 2012 fizzled. It seems the engineers are trying to shovel more coal to get up a new head of steam.
Doesn't the timing of this even strike you as slightly odd? Or that fact that this thread has also revealed, in a way, that there is a raw hunger
that people have for 'the truth' and 'enlightenment'?
I know this is difficult for some of you to hear, especially those of you that feel you are old enough to know better, but, you put a lot of value in
books and learning, right? Well how much more of that do you suppose a person can get done when they have 10 more years on you? 15? 20? #, 25-30?
And even so you may call our reading comprehension or critical thinking skills in to question; stupid just gets stupider as it gets older, right?
Yeah, but stupid has still been around the block more than you have, has probably been taken advantage of 20X more than you have, has had the same
feelings and desires
exploited 50X as much as you have. And even though stupid may not be able to articulate what happened to him/her, they
know what bad is.
Knowing what bad is is a dwindling commodity in our present world.
So let's get to it.
All Quotes From The OP
Spiritual evolution is the ultimate purpose for existence.
No, it actually is not. Active participation in our relationships, with everything we have to bring to the table, is the ultimate purpose of
existence. All the secrets are in there, but folks were systematically told by various gurus in the 70's and on to have 'a quiet divorce' from
their families, and to form new fictive families, usually based around 'spiritual pursuits'.
What the OP has written there has drawn hordes of westerners in to
isolation.
Once a person is spiritually isolated, they are consumed and rendered ineffective.
Westerners do not have the benefit of, nor do they possess the social skills necessary to create, a
Sangha.
The opposition by certain entities to true spiritual freedom is also the fundamental root cause of all forms of oppression in the physical world.
This is bull#, until the day comes when we can face the fact that
we are the root cause of all suffering, we will get nowhere.
Are you really willing to accept that, ATS?
Are you really looking for something to shore up your faith in the idea that we are the helpless pawns of spiritual forces beyond our understanding,
and that is why bad things happen to good people, and why people do bad things? Because, essentially, the devil made them do it?
Also, did you know that there is nothing
here or anywhere else that gives a rat's ass about your 'spiritual liberation'?
It's true. It doesn't mean that 'spiritual liberation' is not 'real', it just means you are on your own.
Everything anyone needs is present in you right now, as you are, you are the fully loaded model. Sorry if that bums anyone out.
If you examine any type of oppressive or subversive act, and examine the root cause, then look at the root cause of that, then look at the root cause
of that, and so on and so forth, it will eventually lead to a root cause involving spiritual repression.
Uh, uh, it will lead to a root cause involving human beings being really bad at being human beings.
Would someone like to argue with me that we need any help at all manifesting the most evil # in the world?
How about a New Age of personal responsibility?
When certain physical freedoms are repressed, it is always a means to an end – the end always goes back to entities wanting to prevent your
spiritual liberation. Some might point to a profit motive for many injustices in the physical world, but what is the root cause of the profit motive?
Ok, so this was fun,
Freud meets The Exorcist? All of the repression has opened the gate for spiritual possession?
Tell, me people, that we are not going to go forward post 2012, blamin' it on the devil.
Who or what created the mindset that permeates our culture that money, materialism, and power in this physical world are the things with which we
should preoccupy ourselves and fight over? Ultimately, those things keep our consciousness’s trapped here on this plane, and prevent us from
liberating ourselves spiritually.
We did.
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