Who am I? **A Story of the Struggle for Spiritual Liberation**

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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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reply to post by kudegras
 


I already mentioned it was a good story. As a piece of art and creativity, I admired it. It's not me who fails to see it for what it is.

Please, let's end our back and forth here. There's going to be many 'off-topic' mod edits here I presume.




posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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reply to post by Apocryphon
 


Thanks for sharing your story OP, I really enjoyed reading it



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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reply to post by LesMisanthrope
 


I reiterate you are entitled to your opinion and I have no beef with you, I am also wondering why the OP has not tried to defend himself or responded to any of the posters.I would have thought some dialogue with other posters would have been interesting. Now If I was a skeptic..................



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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Vey enlightening, we thank you for risking your own security for the benefit of others.

Looking forward to your further annotations.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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reply to post by Apocryphon
 

I could only find one typo in your post. Your father was taking measurements "for" the installation of a new hottub. What can I say, I like to proofread.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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reply to post by ezekielken
 


Dude, there is a space between hottub. Its actually hot tub.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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reply to post by LesMisanthrope
 


Now that you have explained your position, (in depth) it has helped me understand where you (in general) are coming from.

Thank you for giving me the the opportunity to reflect on your words.
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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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reply to post by Apocryphon
 


I am sure my brethren and I in the Paranormal and Metaphysics sections, will welcome you with open arms. We will be seeing you.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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reply to post by LesMisanthrope
 
I agree is is a very well written and interesting story. What I find amazing however are the attacks on anyone who doubts or questions the OP. Some who would usually be amongst the first to question and demand proof are defending this person tooth and nail, in some cases in a not very polite manner.

I would hope that the OP is well intentioned in his/her mission, but we do not know for certain if that is the case. If on the odd chance the intention was to cause division among the membership of ATS it would seem that such a ploy has been very successful! Divide and conquer is a sly move we accuse many politicians and religious leaders of employing, and it works very well.

As this member is new we do not have any past behavior to compare to, and it bothers me that some of us would attack our fellow members whom we have had long relationships with over the words of someone that we do not know in any way. If the OP is who he/she represents themself to be I would think that he/she would discourage such behavior- but that has not happened. To me this seems suspicious, but I guess I am alone in that. It is my hope that for the sake of those who seem so devoted to this person that division is not the intent, and that all is as claimed.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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I never see this card pulled when the skeptics come out of the woodwork to attack the OP. There are quite a lot of people on here who are very nasty and rude about voicing their opinions concerning the thread of an OP they don't agree with. But if you tell them to just leave, they say "Why, are you not happy with alternate opinions?" and I say to that; "Why, are you?"



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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If the OP is who he/she represents themself to be I would think that he/she would discourage such behavior- but that has not happened. To me this seems suspicious, but I guess I am alone in that.


In my opinion we should not question "who" the OP is, we should only question the message/words he presents.

Our true "self" on ATS is masked by our collective Avatars, not unlike how our true self wears many masks here on planet earth.


It is my hope that for the sake of those who seem so devoted to this person that division is not the intent


From my experience sometimes things need to be divided before they can learn to come together again.

Who is to say after the division they can't come together with a greater level of unity than shown before being divided?

Love the avatar by the way, sooo cute!! Merry Christmas



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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It's one thing to be skeptical of someone claiming to be a paranormal entity. It's another to be skeptical of all evidence to the contrary of what is claimed. Who here is the true skeptic?

All I require is to be convinced with logic, evidence and perhaps a decent argument. Without this, one must be extremely skeptical of themselves and their own reasoning in order to believe it.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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reply to post by YourOtherSelf
 

I'm sure you have figured out that I do not buy into the OPs story, but I am of a mind that as adults we can agree to disagree. I just find it odd that if the OP believes everything he/she has posted over the last few days that he/she would condone some of the ugliness that has occurred (and if you've read the other threads then you know what I speak of) and would ask his adherents to practice what they profess. It just seems that if someone truly wanted to position themselves as a "teacher" that they would seek to discourage such behavior and inspire his/her followers to rise above such pettiness.

I assure you that I haven't found you to be one of the people that I speak of, and have enjoyed your posts- which are more in line with what I would expect from someone who holds or entertains such beliefs. Thank you for the compliment of my avatar, and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Because someone doesn't operate out of the left-brain hemisphere, doesn't mean their opinions hold any less credence. You would do well to remember that.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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From my own (often intersecting and often collaborative) background, I can vouch for a few of the OP’s accounts but from the perspective of a different agency. First, SRI was a leading study house that conducted considerable research into various parapsychological areas. Second, Soviet Russia was on the forefront of parapsychological research particularly as it related to intelligence collection and exploitation. Finally, many of the studies conducted by the US and our knowledge of Soviet activities remain highly classified and compartmentalized. Repeated FOIA requests will likely produce nothing because in many cases the agencies may not even know that they have relevant material.

Aspects of parapsychology, as they may relate to remote viewing have surfaced over the years in varying ways. One contemporary example (1980s) was hawked by Major Ed Dames (retired USA) on Coast-to-Coast in the Art Bell days. His visions were purported to often be prophetic, but as I remember, he also claimed to be consulted by TPTB to locate things in the present. He started his own business/research institute to teach the process used to achieve a remote viewing state. I gravitated away from Coast-to-Coast a few years ago and can’t honestly testify to any success he may have had.

I will say that the discussion on ATS is very interesting, and that I, for one, remain open-minded to the concepts. Of critical importance is the mechanism which one might employ to achieve higher levels of perception. There should be no sensitivities about this.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Wow, I leave for a couple of hours and already this many replies! If anything I am thankful to see my message resonate with so many people. I understand that not everyone is ready to accept what I have presented; all I ask is that those of you replying please try to remain civil, which most of you have.

To answer some individual queries:


Originally posted by littled16
If the OP is who he/she represents themself to be I would think that he/she would discourage such behavior- but that has not happened.

This is the first time I've been back to this thread. So to clarify, yes I do discourage such behavior, as I stated above.


Originally posted by wildtimes
A) Do you believe the "soul" (or any other term you want to use) continues to grow -- or MAY do so -- THROUGH REINCARNATION on the earthly plane?

Although I cannot say this with absolute certainty, I strongly suspect that this is possible, that there is a certain amount of reincarnation that occurs until a certain level of awareness has been achieved. Remember that even after physical death, your soul survives and retains its state of spiritual evolution, so this could explain why some seem to possess a greater aptitude for certain spiritual abilities than others - they could have simply "learned" such in their past life.


Originally posted by wildtimes
B) What do you think about dreams? More and more I'm becoming convinced that the dreams I have are REALITY in another dimension that I inhabit while my body rests.

Dreams are such an enormous subject that it really deserves its own thread, but in a certain sense you are indeed correct. The only thing that truly "exists" are souls; both this reality and our dreams are simply perceptions that we can manipulate in certain ways, and in that respect, they are equal in terms of how "real" they are. The difference, however, is that it is much easier to manipulate reality within your own dream space. In fact, lucid dreamers can entirely define their own reality within their dream space. This is not so easy on the physical plane, but the spiritual techniques for doing so can in certain ways cross over. Think of it like so: Lucid dreaming is to passive dreaming as manipulation of physical reality is to passive perception of physical reality.


Originally posted by pryed -eyed-one
any tips for someone who is learning these new abilities?

I do plan on creating a thread providing a thorough tutorial on learning to induce out-of-body experiences at some point in the future.


Originally posted by tgidkp
but what of all this "authorized to reveal" talk? do you remain in contact with or under supervision of some entity which directs your actions?

There are some specifics that would be extremely unwise to post online, particularly when it comes to specific names of individuals, names of government programs, locations of offices, etc. This is true for anyone who has had a history of government dealings of a sensitive nature; even a member of the military knows certain things he should never post online. Omitting these details doesn't severely limit my ability to delineate the main points of the truths I wish to reveal, as long as I take care to be prudent about what I say.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Perhaps I need to follow the other posts to adequately "judge" for myself the intentions in question.

IMO we should read this post (and everything else) with a level of detachment.

To take someone's words without weighing them against your own resonance, would be a fruitless endeavor, as nothing would have been learned.

Of course I am only speaking for my self here, as I can not properly judge how others may approach this message. One would imagine the readers who this message resonated with, will defend those who call this message into question. Those who did not resonate with this material will obviously voice their opinion too.

Hopefully we can all express our self in a polite manner, rather than react emotionally only resulting in further division.

With that said, I do not think the OP is intentionally seeking "division" with this message.


I just find it odd that if the OP believes everything he/she has posted over the last few days that he/she would condone some of the ugliness that has occurred (and if you've read the other threads then you know what I speak of) and would ask his adherents to practice what they profess. It just seems that if someone truly wanted to position themselves as a "teacher" that they would seek to discourage such behavior and inspire his/her followers to rise above such pettiness.


Again I would have to read other messages by the OP, but I see certain benefits by him choosing to "encourage" such behavior. I imagine if I were to read these others posts, we would see the same benefits located in the way he approaches his various messages.
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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Once again, it's a good story. The connection with Scientology is kind of a suprise, but can you honestly say there is anything truly enlightening in the OP's post? I'm not dissing it nor in any way saying it is incorrect. In fact, I believe it IS largely correct, perhaps even entirely correct in its particulars. I say that because I've heard it all before. The first time I heard "the story" was in the Seth Books, by Jane Roberts, vintage 1972, pushing a half century ago. Seth tells essentially the same story. Oh, he's not into the CIA/paranormal connection; he's much more historically focused, but when you render down the essential elements, it's the same thing.

What haven't you heard before? We survive bodily death. We have (or ARE) a soul. We can do OBEs once we learn how. we actually create our own reality. That and throw in a bit of CIA conspiracy stuff and we're there. It's pretty basic stuff approved by the New Age(tm). So far OP hasn't really pushed the envelope. He's in relatively safe territory.

The really interesting thing here, though, is the reaction of OP's Bulldogs. It reminds me how Michael Horn defends Billy Meier, this in-your-face, brook-no-opposition frontal attack against anyone who DARES bring up the slightest little thing in contradiction to the OP. You guys don't want a conversation here. You don't want a back and forth dialogue. You want everyone to say, "Tell me more, Oh, Great Master!" or to leave. You've stated as much.

So why so defensive? We're not listening to a sermon here. It's not wrong to interrupt the priest and ask for clarification. It's not bad form to point out an inconsistency or, Heaven forbid, a mistake.

To people who are demanding anyone with issues should leave I say. No, YOU leave. If you really want to listen interrupted to the Master, create a Church, scrutinize new members, and let no one in of which you disapprove. But ATS here is a public forum. You do not get to choose only the answers or only the participants you want . If you are going to have this discussion HERE, then you are obligated to admit alternative points of view. This is NOT a closed system whereby you can expect to meditate at the feet of the Master. If you think so, it's time to get over it. You cannot dictate what the rest of us say.
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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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post removed for serious violation of ATS Terms & Conditions



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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I'm learning a lot of history here. I never was interested in Scientology or scientologists, and still am not. But... I find your well written articles interesting, different and possibly leading somewhere. So... I think I'll stay on the hook for a while.





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