Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by schuyler
As one of his bulldogs you are grasping at straws, still trying to pull yourself out of that sticky morass you stepped in! Thanks for the laugh.
Are you mad? First of all, I'm not one of his bulldogs grasping at anything. Secondly, I never jumped down on my knee's yelling, "PLZ MASTER TELL ME MOAR!"
What I am saying is, that so many of you were ready to raise the bull# flag on this, that you jumped on the story of him just trolling people, without considering the other possibilities? I mean, I thought that was what skeptics were supposed to do; consider other possibilities?
What a tool.
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by schuyler
You realize I barely even participated in this thread at all right?
No, you didn't know that...
I would also like to point out that the only time I got involved, other than my opinion of the OP, was to tell the 'skeptics' careful how they word their arguments, or lest they will sound like hypocrites...
I am sure my brethren and I in the Paranormal and Metaphysics sections, will welcome you with open arms. We will be seeing you.
I never see this card pulled when the skeptics come out of the woodwork to attack the OP. There are quite a lot of people on here who are very nasty and rude about voicing their opinions concerning the thread of an OP they don't agree with. But if you tell them to just leave, they say "Why, are you not happy with alternate opinions?" and I say to that; "Why, are you?"
Because someone doesn't operate out of the left-brain hemisphere, doesn't mean their opinions hold any less credence. You would do well to remember that.
Just so you know, a good portion of us consider your attitude to really suck. Now I'm not knocking any kind of intelligence that you may have, but as far as morals and actions go, you've got to a lot to learn man.
I'm just going to say that nowhere in your rant was it even conducive or relative to my post. I'm merely pointing out the obvious. Skeptics aren't the only ones with valid opinions; so you should stop acting as such.
That. Was. All.
But no, you had to go on about all of that nonsense. I think you really missed the point dude.
If you want to dig up and parade one of my threads around; how about actually finding one of the better ones, hm?
Are you mad? What a tool.
20 posts and counting, all by you. You want to call that "barely participating"? Ohhhhh K!
Really? Let's take a look, shall we? I am sure my brethren and I in the Paranormal and Metaphysics sections, will welcome you with open arms. We will be seeing you. To Apocryphon, Himself. Aww, that's so sweet. But you didn't buy off on his rhetoric. Oh, no, not you! I'm sure he felt all warm and cozy because of the group hug....and another convert!
I never see this card pulled when the skeptics come out of the woodwork to attack the OP. There are quite a lot of people on here who are very nasty and rude about voicing their opinions concerning the thread of an OP they don't agree with. But if you tell them to just leave, they say "Why, are you not happy with alternate opinions?" and I say to that; "Why, are you?" So you DO tell them to just leave. One of my major points. All you want are the acolytes asking questions at the feet of the Master. These must be you and your bretheren in the paranormal and Metaphysics section welcoming him with open arms. Sweet.
Ahh, a lecture on left brain/right brain! Psych 101. Were you in Apocryphon's class?
Just so you know, a good portion of us consider your attitude to really suck. Now I'm not knocking any kind of intelligence that you may have, but as far as morals and actions go, you've got to a lot to learn man. This to NorEaster, one of the more lucid posters on ATS. No ad hominem from you, no siree!!
Did you even read your previous post?
Uh huh. Time to find a new guru, bud, someone else to welcome with open arms. the other one done got hisself banned.
I have to agree with you Veritas. The manner of his confession is strange, and it can lead one to believe that he is being forced into a false confession.
I suspect most of us have at least a mildly unfavorable opinion of Scientology
If he had had a little more time he could have milked it a bit longer. I think he will go far, so Apocryphon, good job. Just know there are people like LesMis and NorEaster who are going to keep you honest.
Second, I suspect one of the reasons his story "resonated" is because it is not at all a new story (like you said.) It's old. The basic idea is that we survive bodily death. We can perform OBEs once we learn how. We may be or have "souls" that can reincarnate. Every New Age philosophy out there says more or less the same thing, from Seth to the Roscicrucians, from Edgar Cayce to whatever New Age Shaman you follow. It "resonates" because the story is familiar. We've heard it all before, even if we pretended to not pay attention. It soaked in anyway.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by AfterInfinity
I agree. But except for the personal histories of the OP, I've heard it all before. The philosophy was never under question for myself.
Originally posted by schuyler
reply to post by galadofwarthethird
First, he's an excellent writer. Rarely do we find someone who knows grammar and spelling, can use a semi-colon, and makes virtually no mistakes in long stretches. Most of us at least make a typo or two, but his were rare to non-existent. This is a good example of why such things are important, why presentation is important. Those who make constant mistakes in this regard are more easily dismissed. We can all say "it doesn't matter," but in point of fact, it does. Rhetoric trumps content.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by Killuminati2
Now how is it that a religious philosophy that teaches that Satan is God and that fundamental Christians are the ones who are actually deceived is being believed by so many? Ill tell you how, because most of the people involved in the New Age movement, have a habit of believing any feel good philosophy that is thrown at them. The bible is clear concerning sin and that there is only one path to salvation. The Messiah even warned about that many would come in his name and deceive many. Now I ask you to really consider what I am saying because it seems obvious to me that this new religious philosophy, that is trying to usher in a "New World Order" that believes Satan is God and is waiting for the "One whom all nations await" sounds like a counterfeit religious movement looking to deceive Christians into worshiping what the scriptures calls the AntiChrist.
Either stop quoting the bible to fit your perverted beliefs are quote them all including this one.
"This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God," 1 John 4:2
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist." 2 John 1:7
Matthew 24:3-5 "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."
Is this not what New Age philosophies teach that man is God? That there is no sin only Karma and that Christ didnt die for our sins but instead came to teach us that we were all Christs? Perhaps you should read the bible more and spend less time listening to New Age Doctrines that pervert scripture.
2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,"
In case you missed the OP's views on the bible and Jesus:
Originally posted by Apocryphon
Jesus was an enlightened, spiritually free being who had many truths to reveal during his time. It is unfortunate that nearly all his true original words and teachings have been lost. The only gospel among the four that is even based on a real existing gospel is that of John, and even that has been heavily edited and redacted.
The gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, which are all essentially derived from the same work, are frauds not written by the authors to which they are attributed. We know they are frauds because the bloodline in Matthew contradicts the one given in Luke; the tomb story among other stories has contradictory details, and the overall tone is very different from that of John. If you read John, you'll notice it has a much more esoteric, spiritual feeling to it. There are also a number of other gospels and scriptures that had been suppressed during the early days of Christianity and have barely survived to this day. The Nag Hamaddi library is a collection of some of these dissenting scriptures that are worth checking out. All religious writings of any kind, however, should be taken with a heavy grain of salt.
The Roman Empire saw early Christianity as a threat, but also as a potentially useful tool. They needed to mold it into what they wanted it to be, however, and such was the basis for the creation of bogus gospels and councils that restricted what scriptures and information would be included in the canon of scripture.
Interesting fun fact: The gospel of John doesn't include any reference to Hell whatsoever. The word does not appear once in the book. Neither do any of the epistles of Paul contain this word. Hell is only mentioned in the synoptic (Matthew, Mark, Luke) gospels which very well supports the position that the idea of Hell was created later by the Roman Catholic church as a tool for fear and repression.
So in short, Jesus himself was not a tool for spiritual repression; but the religion that was created in his name has been used heavily as a tool for spiritual repression.
Sad, but true, most of the Bible and other holy books are false. Why? Well, just use logic. The only Universal truths are Love and that we are all One, yet the Bible and other Holy books promote division and fear. Simple. Don't overthink it.
Peace and Love to All
edit on 25-12-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: addition
Originally posted by old_god
reply to post by Apocryphon
You miss one very important aspect...the heart. The soul connects to the heart and it's our emotions that drive us, filtered through the brain which has the main purpose of filtering information and processing new data.
Originally posted by forgetmenot
reply to post by AfterInfinity
You might want to see this:
Originally posted by Apocryphon
Fellow members of ATS, I must now come clean and confess that everything I've posted in my previous threads is complete BS that I made up for entertainment, and as an experiment to see how much of a following I could get. My method was to present myself as an inspiring leader with strong oratory skills, spiritual promises, and first-hand knowledge of certain conspiracies.
In reality I am just a kid who is on winter break from school, was bored and thought it would be fun to see how much of a cult-like following I could get if I presented myself a certain way.
I'm not on the run from the government, I've never been a research subject at SRI, I've never met Ingo Swann or Hal Pufhoff, and I've never been able to induce an OBE (although I do believe in them). The historical information I presented about Scientology and the CIA is all true, however I don't possess any first-hand experience with these events, I only presented what can already be researched on the internet. The information I presented about interlaced planes of existence via different frequency vibrations is just a theory I dreamed up, thinking it *could* be how the universe works, but I don't have any special way of knowing that such an idea is truth.
It was a fun experiment while it lasted and to some extent it worked, but I no longer have the time to keep it up, so I decided it would be best to present the actual truth.
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy! This is why questioning what people say is important, instead of becoming a part of their cult by blindly following, listening, accepting, etc.edit on 27-12-2012 by forgetmenot because: (no reason given)edit on 27-12-2012 by forgetmenot because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LoveisanArt
Meaning Apocryphon did not make this up, did not come off winter break, and did not troll AtS. There is more the higher admins know about this particular former member, then the rest of us are allowed to know. The thing about tthis age of humanity and this tool called the internet is this - eeverything is controlled, monitored, and filtered.
Even the creators of AtS are on a short-cyber leash if I may; removing this post would be ironic in that case.
So for those who seek true knowledge and not the hokie-pokie nonsense some are destructively inserting into the cyber world; use your heart (not your thoughts) to determine what is true and what is not.
My intuition (soul/heart) tells me that this member is not a child off winter break, and his ban from this site was more useful to those adminstrating it then the members who were involved and "entertained" by his threads.