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Are TPTB giving the Ancient Aliens believers enough rope to hang themselves?

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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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I would love to believe the basic theory of our planet being visited by ET's in the distant past (even for a short stop-over), which could be the kernel of many of the worlds religions. However, this Ancient Aliens show takes this to a whole new level with their wildly unsubstantiated claims (EVERYTHING good was due to Aliens, we humans couldn't invent anything without their help). This makes me wonder if TPTB are allowing )or even encouraging) the self-implosion of the field in a similar way to the UFO field (so much FUD, conspiracies, moles, lies, fraud, etc...). After all, if we truly believe that only those "above us" can provide our ideas, and we lowly humans can't think for ourselves, then TPTB can step in and think for us, in our best interests of course.


Wouldn't it be in the best interest of TPTB to have the Ancient Alien theories implode under their own weight rather than openly crushing it? Once it gets completely saturated with fraudsters, lies, "agents of disinformation", etc... then the hidden agendas can go on their merry way. The governments can be assured we all think we can't think for ourselves, no worries, they can do that for us.


Basically, they are jingling their keys above our heads, distracting us with shiny objects while they steal our candy.

Makes one wonder, now doesn't it?




posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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I don't think its the PTB doing it I think AA theorists are doing it themselves , more so now because ratings are at stake .
Series 5



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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Just because the show takes poetic license does not mean that it discredits the theory.
You must filter out what you do not agree with and use your own brain to decide what you may believe to be plausible.
The show makes you think, and people like that, I like that, but I am not gullible or stupid.
It is a valid theory.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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It is a valid theory.

It is a valid theory , unfortunately its been hijacked and turned into entertainment with great leaps of the imagination needed from the viewer to accept the explanations put forward .

AA is a cash cow for the network and Giorgio and the boys .



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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It's a TV show. If it is to live it must be entertaining.
I understand that and I use that fact as part of my formula that tells me what to consider.

It only survives when it entertains and sometimes it has to be fluffed up, realise that, watch the show, decide for yourself, and move on.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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It only survives when it entertains and sometimes it has to be fluffed up, realise that, watch the show, decide for yourself, and move on.

I do realize that , I did decide for myself at the start of series three and I have moved on .

Giorgio is comedy Gold though



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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Toadmund
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It's a TV show. If it is to live it must be entertaining.
I understand that and I use that fact as part of my formula that tells me what to consider.

It only survives when it entertains and sometimes it has to be fluffed up, realise that, watch the show, decide for yourself, and move on.


I do realize that. However, how many times has the pursuit of $$$$ completely trashed and caused the underlying movement to implode? That's my point, it's not overt, it's giving the green light to these greedy fraudsters, to go wild. All for the sake of ratings and more $$$, the heck with the "theories" being plausible, as long as we can generate another season and bring on more ad $$$. Anyone see a pattern here?

Same pattern happened to the UFO community over the past 20 or so years. Now, the mere mention of someone thinking it''s plausible puts you in the completely wack-job category.

Ancient Alien theory is an interesting premise, I agree. But is it heading toward the inevitable looney bin sooner than later? It's like in martial arts, you use your enemies strength against them. Let them thrust forward, while you step aside and impart minimal effort to get them on the ground and helpless.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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I've often pondered your argument, because the show is getting incredibly ridiculous, and I am a believer in the AAT. Now when it comes to Ancient Aliens, I believe the show started off very good. The first two seasons had some very interesting facts that always seem to be debated whenever they are brought up, but imo, haven't been proven one way or the other. Was mankind smart enough to do a lot of the things in our past? Very possible. Was mankind helped and/or created by another intelligent race?? Seems very possible as well.

I came up with the idea myself back when I was a teen, and loved pissing off christians. I would tell them Jesus is an alien hybrid, and quite possibly christianity was created to help put their creation back on a more peaceful path, until it got controlled once again by man. But, after telling the story to a few people, it started making sense to me. I started looking at examples in the bible, and seeing as my theory to troll actually felt like a possible theory. It just makes sense to me.

Then, thanks to reading a few articles by Dave Martell, I found that many others had this exact same theory, with many pieces of evidence to back it up. After a lot of reading, it reinforced my belief in the AAT. Then Ancient Aliens came along. I was very happy at first, because the shows were fun to watch, and had quite a bit of good information. Everything was fine, until Season 3. That's when they started getting really far-fetched, even to the point where I shook my head. What sealed the deal with me was "Bigfoot and Aliens".

Now you could be right, maybe there is some truth to the AAT, and TPTB don't like the idea of us knowing this, and have the History Channel make as many outlandish ideas, that everyone and their mother will scoff at it. Why would they do this?? Dunno, but look at how many christians handle the theory of evolution. If that makes them angry(which many it does), think about how they would feel if told that we're a mix of evolution and genetic engineering. That's so against what their bible tells them. Even though kind of not, because the stories could often go one and one together, if you look at the interpretations differently.

What may truly be the cause of AA being so ridiculous lately, is the people involved got huge egos. So huge, that they'll do and/or say anything for the ratings. Example, look at Giorgio Tsoukalos. I like him, he seems like a good guy. I was subscribed to his FB feed, thinking I'd get feed to new information related to the topic. There has been some. But I've seen a lot of things fluffing his ego. "Party with Tsoulakos!!!", "Tsoukalos t-shirts!", "Tsoukalos look a-like contest!!!". Just lots of silly stuff which just shows his ego has grown drastically. I don't mean anything mean about it, he's not being a DB or anything, but you can tell he's enjoying his fame. He probably didn't expect this in his early career. lol

What I do enjoy about AA, is that it's like a "gateway drug". It opens minds, and gets people into the idea, who may never even thought about it. Sure, you're going to have people that just believe what they're shown on AA. But you will also have people who will see the information in front of them, do their own research on the topic, and come to their own conclusions. In other words, the show helps open up a mind.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Propping up the ancient alien theory for money would be better for society as a whole than cashing in on violence. Mans base instincts are violent. We needed it to survive long ago. Hunting/killing was the only way to survive. We crave it and the media cash's in on it. The very thing society supposedly craves to suppress is what the media feeds us for huge profits. Violence. Personalizing the violence by interviewing victims loved ones just makes it worse. So, anything that does not contain violence and is entertaining is preferable. If the world had a rating like a movie. What would you rate it?



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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If you don't like the show .. don't watch it.

and is there any reason why all 7 billion have to believe the same theories about life.


you are free to believe what YOU want, and I am free to believe what I want.


thank you for offering your biased opinion about a theory.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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The problem with putting anything remotely intelligent on the television is that it's dumbed down for the masses. Often TV is the only source of information for people because people are too dumb to pick up a book or don't know how to use the internet properly to do research. They just have apps and pre-loaded web pages directing them to the most mainstream sources in existence and don't take the time or learn the skills needed to expand their minds. Anyone intelligent can see, even without the influence of the theories that abound on ATS, that TV is a formulaic tool used to manipulate emotions and intelligence. I know this is all well known, but it just bothers me that people continue to watch ANYTHING on TV. Everything follows such a predictable formula.

The more out there they can make a completely valid theory like the AAT seem, the easier it will be for people to dismiss it as nothing but interesting entertainment. You can watch that show and see all the conspiracy theory archetypes - the crazy, the new age, failed academics, etc. They set up for failure intentionally. You can't get away from the imagery being amazing and the information being nothing but mind blowing, but its presentation on a show like AA does the whole thing a disservice.
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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Toadmund
Just because the show takes poetic license does not mean that it discredits the theory.


Yeah, its not their poetic license that discredits... its everything else and everyone on the show that discredits.



You must filter out what you do not agree with and use your own brain to decide what you may believe to be plausible.


As should those ON the show.



Its a plausible theory


Not when held up against actual facts.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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AA is an entertainment show. Most of the people watch it for that reason. The people believe in it or buy into are a small sub group. As long as show is entertaining it makes money and stays on the air. Who do you think they cater to?



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by six67seven

Originally posted by Toadmund
Just because the show takes poetic license does not mean that it discredits the theory.


Yeah, its not their poetic license that discredits... its everything else and everyone on the show that discredits.



You must filter out what you do not agree with and use your own brain to decide what you may believe to be plausible.


As should those ON the show.



Its a plausible theory


Not when held up against actual facts.


who's facts are you talking about ??

don't watch the show if you don't like it.

and leave the people alone who do enjoy it.

live and LET LIVE.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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It's the believers themselves hanging their own selves with their own ropes.
There's very little discretion.
Every light in the sky is to be ooo'd, ahhh'd, goshed and gushed at.
Every hoax, charlatan, delusional idiot that just wants attention, and schizophrenic is absolutely real 100% true until proven otherwise, and often, even then, still accepted.

UFOology is a self assembling circus side-show, and largely a joke despite the efforts of some serious, interested, smart people, and especially skeptics in attempting to keep things real.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Let us have our aliens!

You don't think that if we as humans don't destroy ourselves in a hundred or a thousand years that we may be travelling space?

To totally dismiss it is intellectual ego flexing.
You do not think it possible there is other life out there and that some of them have advanced enough to leave their planets?
And that perhaps some of them no longer live on a planet, but are galactic nomads of sorts?

To say it's not possible is very close minded.

Sorry, reread your last line, yeah it's the weirdos that do it in, does not make it not possible though.
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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Never once, anywhere, ever have I ever said, nor do I know of anyone that believes there is no life anywhere else in the universe.

The Universe is VAST.

The wide eyed believer is always throwing that ridiculous question out there.
Sure, certainly there's life somewhere else in the Universe, possibly all over the Universe.
Life we can't observe, detect, or talk to, however, is worthless to us.

Aliens on the other side of the Universe, or anywhere else in the Universe for that matter, wherever they might be, regardless of how developed and advanced their technologies might be ...
are worthless so long as they're invisible, and/or we can't observe and/or communicate with them.

Invisible aliens are worthless.
We can't use them.
We can't see them.
We can't talk to them.
We can't detect them by any means.
Worthless.

Thus, there's no point in going on about life 'elsewhere' until such can be sensed, observed, measured, and potentially communicated with. Until such is found, it essentially doesn't exist.
Your car keys, no matter how real they are, will do you absolutely no good if you've locked them inside your car.
The Sultan of Brunei is worth $20 Billion, but, not a cent of it is worth anything to anyone that doesn't get a piece of that pie through payroll, family, or some close association.
Tell homeless person there's vacant luxury homes just out there, waiting to be occupied; it's a worthless statement if they don't have access.

Invisible aliens we can't detect, observe, or interact with in any way are thus also worthless.

Life 'elsewhere' in the universe means nothing till we have confirming evidence such is so.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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I'm actually getting a little bored with it all. Although I have to admit I am a fan of Ancient Aliens the Series.


I think AA just asks a lot of questions.....for the viewer to ponder.
I wouldn't think TPTB have any real interest at all, they go about their merry way, it seems, without any concern for the AA theorists.

However, I do agree that there seems to be an abundance, overwhelmingly, of the AA, UFO, Conspiracy, Secret Secrets
and Cosmic revelations that it has kinda imploded in on itself. There seems to be just thousands of ET, UFO, etc. sites and even the FBI and CIA have posted on their websites subjects on these matters.

I guess I want to beleive, but, I have been guilty of reading so much I am not sure what to believe anymore, maybe that is your point, that is what TPTB want....I guess.......



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Your post is contradicting itself and you are cloaking it trying to hide that fact, first you deny denial, then you say because we don't see them that they are worthless, and because they are worthless they do not exist.
So what is it, you believe they may be out there, you are neutral, or you don't believe at all?

Please clarify.
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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Druscilla
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It's the believers themselves hanging their own selves with their own ropes.
There's very little discretion.
Every light in the sky is to be ooo'd, ahhh'd, goshed and gushed at.
Every hoax, charlatan, delusional idiot that just wants attention, and schizophrenic is absolutely real 100% true until proven otherwise, and often, even then, still accepted.

UFOology is a self assembling circus side-show, and largely a joke despite the efforts of some serious, interested, smart people, and especially skeptics in attempting to keep things real.



Actually, I think you stated it very well.
It seems there is never an instance that someone with an iPhone is not capturing some headlights, stars, airplanes or a street light and then saying holy cr$p look at that? What is it?
I am still very interested in the subject matter, and will continue to be, but I find myself growing more and more skeptical. Oh well, as one of my favorite shows used to say: "The Truth Is Out There"



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