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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:19 AM
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No awareness is not a thing like space is not a thing.




posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by atlasastro
There is no such thing as nothing. Nothingness does not exist, Only the illusion of nothingness exists.


The illusion of nothingness is the something. It is impossible for an individual to have a truly objective experience. No one has ever had an objective experience because there is no such thing. Experiences aren't real. They appear to be real, but they are nothing. What is seen is the illusion.


Things aren't real because 'things' is made of thought. Experience is real.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:20 AM
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Can somebody define concisely what awareness is? A proper defintiion would help for the sake of helping the debate.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Can somebody define concisely what awareness is? A proper defintiion would help for the sake of helping the debate.


You are awareness.
All that can be known is phemomenon - the knowing aspect is awarenesess.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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i see dying as nothing. when i die i will become nothing like i never existed. I guess looking at it that way i am nothing right now i could die and it would make no difference to anything.


That is it, really, in a nutshell. If we're lucky enough to be remembered then we remain in thoughts only.

The trick is to find the value in yourself... I think you already know that, and are aware of it from reading some of your posts.

But ultimately, we're a blink in an eye... no one remembers some random person from 1000 years ago... and no one will in 1000 years time.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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With all i have read lately, i understand what you are saying
and believe it, only because the past few days i have been
digging into a lot of different aspects of this.

BUT... its going to take a while for my brain to fully grasp this one..


string theory was mind boggling enough, then the code came up,
now apparently we are not here, but we are because we chose to be.


Question is, how do we break free from 'reality' as we know it...



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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All of this talk about somethingness and nothingness reminds me of the Boltzmann brain paradox:



A Boltzmann brain is a hypothesized self-aware entity which arises due to random fluctuations out of a state of chaos. The idea is named for the physicist Ludwig Boltzmann (1844–1906), who advanced an idea that the known universe arose as a random fluctuation, similar to a process through which Boltzmann brains might arise. Boltzmann Brain From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And The Mystery Men.





posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

You believe you are a thing among other things and this is where the human condition of fear stems from.
Oh please! Are we in pre-school?
No I believe I am you and this leaves me thinking I know everything. I'll snap out of it shortly when I really discover nothing as you.


There is only only what is present. Is this, that is present, a thing? Is what is seeing and knowing this appearance a thing?
It is something, always was and always will be. And how can there "only only what is present". What the hell is a double "only" present?


Can what is appearing appear without being seen and known?
Yes and no and maybe and possibly.

What is seeing and hearing right now?
I farted and I can see my p.c.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by atlasastro
There is no such thing as nothing. Nothingness does not exist, Only the illusion of nothingness exists.


The illusion of nothingness is the something. It is impossible for an individual to have a truly objective experience. No one has ever had an objective experience because there is no such thing. Experiences aren't real. They appear to be real, but they are nothing. What is seen is the illusion.


Things aren't real because 'things' is made of thought. Experience is real.


Nothing is real because everything is nothing and nothing is nothing so nothing isn't real.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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But ultimately, we're a blink in an eye... no one remembers some random person from 1000 years ago... and no one will in 1000 years time.


This is the crux of it. And humans cope with this i guess by recording and documenting history but even that is only a pale representation of the event as it actually occurred. And each event was filled by people who have no more meaning now than the dust we tread on each day under our feets.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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Sorry teacher did i say 'only' twice. And i am sorry the judge in you distracted you from what was written.

There is only what is present.
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posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by severdsoul
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With all i have read lately, i understand what you are saying
and believe it, only because the past few days i have been
digging into a lot of different aspects of this.

BUT... its going to take a while for my brain to fully grasp this one..


string theory was mind boggling enough, then the code came up,
now apparently we are not here, but we are because we chose to be.


Question is, how do we break free from 'reality' as we know it...



You're never going to fully understand it. And you'll break free when you do.

If you want to break free from reality as you know it, know it as something else. If you want to break free from reality in general, know it as nothing.

After you find the neutral spot of time and space, you can then begin finding the neutral spot of awareness. At the core of everything, there is a black hole that is sorting out all of the chaos of illusions.
edit on 23-12-2012 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:33 AM
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You're never going to fully understand it. And you'll break free when you do.


do you understand more than me?



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb


The illusion of nothingness is the something. It is impossible for an individual to have a truly objective experience. No one has ever had an objective experience because there is no such thing. Experiences aren't real. They appear to be real, but they are nothing. What is seen is the illusion.
How can you know that, as you state no one can objectively know that its an illusion just as they cannot know its a real experience.

You cannot objectively know its an illusion.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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I believe you are right on both parts *LOL*

Always loved physics but never got into it much till recently
what little i do know fascinates me.

But the things that have come out lately...wow...
mind blowing....



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by atlasastro

Originally posted by Itisnowagain



Can what is appearing appear without being seen and known?
Yes and no and maybe and possibly.



Admit it - you don't know. But if you consider it you might.
edit on 23-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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But ultimately, we're a blink in an eye... no one remembers some random person from 1000 years ago... and no one will in 1000 years time.


This is the crux of it. And humans cope with this i guess by recording and documenting history but even that is only a pale representation of the event as it actually occurred. And each event was filled by people who have no more meaning now than the dust we tread on each day under our feets.


That was great. I dont think anyone could say it better.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by atlasastro
There is no such thing as nothing. Nothingness does not exist, Only the illusion of nothingness exists.


The illusion of nothingness is the something. It is impossible for an individual to have a truly objective experience. No one has ever had an objective experience because there is no such thing. Experiences aren't real. They appear to be real, but they are nothing. What is seen is the illusion.


Things aren't real because 'things' is made of thought. Experience is real.


Nothing is real because everything is nothing and nothing is nothing so nothing isn't real.


So nothing isn't real???
But at the start of the sentence you say nothing is real??
Which is it?

You're not making logical sense. This is what people do when they talk about things that they know nothing about.

edit on 23-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by atlasastro

Originally posted by smithjustinb


The illusion of nothingness is the something. It is impossible for an individual to have a truly objective experience. No one has ever had an objective experience because there is no such thing. Experiences aren't real. They appear to be real, but they are nothing. What is seen is the illusion.
How can you know that, as you state no one can objectively know that its an illusion just as they cannot know its a real experience.

You cannot objectively know its an illusion.


You're not making logical sense. This is what people do when they talk about things that they know nothing about.

I know it is an illusion and I know it isn't real, and I know that the illusion isn't real. That doesn't mean it's not a real illusion.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 06:47 AM
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I know it is an illusion and I know it isn't real, and I know that the illusion isn't real. That doesn't mean it's not a real illusion.


How does a person live withing a real illusion. Please explain as it may offer insite to the form of the illusion itself.





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