-Eve from Adam's rib: Most of the ideas that contradict evolution among Muslims are from the myths of other religions which were imported to Islam and attributed falsely to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Our father Adam (peace be upon him) was preferred or chosen over other people of his time as Allah stated clearly in Quran 3:33-34, just like Allah chose any prophet after him also Quran stated in these verses that all were "offspring", Adam was included and Allah is never short of words.
-Creation of Adam in Heaven: There is no such thing in the Quran, Adam was reworded to stay in Heaven with his wife AFTER he won the contest against the angels (the naming of creatures) as Quran stated clearly in 2:35 and 7:19. When Adam disobeyed Allah and ate from the tree him and his wife were sent back to Earth.
-Why Adam disobeyed Allah? Because Allah didn't promise Adam to be immortal in Heaven, Adam was growing older and Satan promised him that if he ate from the immortality tree then he will not grow older. Quran: 20:120 and 7:20
-Creation of Adam from dust: We are all created from dust, just like our father Adam. Quran 18:37, Quran 30:20, Quran 35:11, Quran 40:67. -Adam was created suddenly: Just This verse is enough to refute such claim and there are many others Quran 7:11: And We created you (humans, in plural form), then fashioned you (made you in the image you are, also addressing humans in plural form), then said to the angels: Prostrate to Adam!
-How can Adam be our father if there were many humans?: The children of the smart man that Allah chose were the most fit to survive to our days (survival of the fittest), there are many other human species which we found their fossils only and they didn't make it to our time.
-How Adam children got married? If Adam and Eve were the only humans then the only answer is that brothers married their sisters, do you accept such answer? Of course there were other humans and Adam children married them.
-Allah is NOT a wizard, He does NOT pull new stars and new galaxies from a magic hat and certainly He doesn't do that for new species. Allah created and planned this universe on scientific laws; evolution is just one of them. Evolution means way more ingenious creator than a wizard who had to come to Earth and pull species one after another because he couldn't plan that from the beginning and you know very well that Allah is the best planner, evolution was part of the plan from the beginning of creation of this universe.
Originally posted by amkia
Again and again and again.. Islamic science are second to none,
Originally posted by 0SolidSnake0
Yes I was doing some research for my college class, about evolution, the theory of giants.....
And me being who I am, A big believer/student of science and of God. I stumbled upon some pretty interesting information about evolution, then I did some youtube search. Found most of it in this video :
Originally posted by FyreByrd
The Arabs gave us Algebra and kept science alive during the dark ages.
Originally posted by Leahn
Plato. Laws. Book X.
Go take a peek. Written 4 centuries before Christ.
Algebra was created by the Babylonians, when they were the world's superpower, not by the Arabs.
And the term "Dark Ages" refer to a period of history about which, until recently, very little was known, and thus "dark".
Originally posted by FyreByrd
Interesting, but not surprising. The Arabs gave us Algebra and kept science alive during the dark ages.
What is it you wish to discuss or are you just sharing interesting information? It would be interesting (and I did not watch the video - text oriented here) to see where the Arab theory and Darwins theory are similiar and different. There's a paper right there.
Originally posted by fastbob72
Aye me too,unfortunately I can't watch the vid right now which is a pity as this sounds intrigueing and I've never heard this before.
As one of those who's looked into evolution and learnt,read about it a fair bit over the years it's the only sensible,plausible theory this smart arsed p
rimate thinks comes anywhere close.
As I've argued,good naturedly,with a few people on this site evolution fits so nicely.In fact,you can tell it's the truth because at it's core it's beautiful in it's simplicity.
So hearing that evolution may have been first suggested by Islam is surprising yet not a shock.
If it wasn't for Islam keeping the flame of Greek and Egvptian knowledge alight after the fall of Rome and Europe's descent in to the Dark Ages.Ok modern archeology/history is discovering that the Dark Ages probably weren't the complete and utter collapse of European society previously thought nevertheless there was little room for science and enlightenment from 500 ad to late 14th century and the recovery after the Black Death.
Not only did Islam keep classical learning alive but greatly advanced medicine,astronomy,biology,egineering and much more in their own right.
If it wasnt for Islam where would the knowledge come from that lit the spark and fed the Renaissance.
So hearing the tenent of this thread isnt a great leap of imagination.In fact,I've no idea what Islam believes about evolution,in the past and certainly not at present.
Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd
I have read these eulogies of Islam before- I don't think it was ILSAM per se that somehow encouraged thought, some people may have been Muslims but it was not the Islamic religion ITSELF that somehow encouraged this free thinking mind
This sort of thought is a relatively modern invention to try and elevate Islam by western relativists and some Muslims
Originally posted by rabzdguy
I think islam needs some of that evolution...maybe try start with not killing there own muslims...then take it from there. Maybe you will evolve..like all false religions
This second incorrect notion carries over into our thinking about species and evolution. The problem isn't helped by the fact that biologists often discuss certain features as being "lower" or "higher," or "primitive" or "advanced." The correct uses of these terms should imply nothing further than "older" and "younger" — i. e., earlier vs. later evolutionary appearance. There is no proper implication of "better" vs. "worse," or "more adapted" vs. "less adapted," or "simple" vs. "complex." They certainly don't mean "successful" vs. "unsuccessful." Bacteria are arguably the most successful form of life on Earth.
Our very best evidence indicates that, in reality, all species on this world have equal lengths of evolutionary history. The differences are the result chance differences in the pathways evolutionary movement takes. Evolution is ultimately about diversity, not about progress.
Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by 0SolidSnake0
That Ibn Khaldun quote looks like Aristotle’s Great chain
and its wrong anyway – well as far as ToE is concerned
One should then take a look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the newest group.
The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man. This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.