If Judaism, Islam, and Christianity share the same god then why do they disagree on so many things?

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

A person taking the name of Christ (His Character) will not judge you or anyone else...

I only wish i could agree with you my friend...

Though i suppose that opens the debate, "what is a true Christian" which isn't actually a debate...

its an arguement...

Not hard to define. Christ is the head of one loaf. There are many slices in that loaf. Each has a particular function and none of the parts can claim the whole.

1 Corinthians 12

12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.

15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

The Spirit involved in the material cannot be perfect. It is always rising, just like bread. The yeast is necessary, yet the yeast will be removed eventually. Sin is a necessity.

Gospel of the Nazarenes (Lection 88)

12. For by involution and evolution shall the salvation of all the world be accomplished: by the Descent of Spirit into matter, and the Ascent of matter into Spirit through the ages.

We cannot judge others (God being one of the others) without separating ourselves from the others. In Christ, we are all one loaf rising and being baked.

Involution and Evolution

The trick is to not be the one doing the baking. That's God's job, but Satan is the Baker. His head will be removed. We are the cup bearer with Christ if we share in the loaf. We are the captives set free.

Genesis 40

9 So the chief cupbearer told Joseph his dream. He said to him, “In my dream I saw a vine in front of me, 10 and on the vine were three branches. As soon as it budded, it blossomed, and its clusters ripened into grapes. 11 Pharaoh’s cup was in my hand, and I took the grapes, squeezed them into Pharaoh’s cup and put the cup in his hand.”

12 “This is what it means,” Joseph said to him. “The three branches are three days. 13 Within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head and restore you to your position, and you will put Pharaoh’s cup in his hand, just as you used to do when you were his cupbearer. 14 But when all goes well with you, remember me and show me kindness; mention me to Pharaoh and get me out of this prison. 15 I was forcibly carried off from the land of the Hebrews, and even here I have done nothing to deserve being put in a dungeon.”

16 When the chief baker saw that Joseph had given a favorable interpretation, he said to Joseph, “I too had a dream: On my head were three baskets of bread.[a] 17 In the top basket were all kinds of baked goods for Pharaoh, but the birds were eating them out of the basket on my head.”

18 “This is what it means,” Joseph said. “The three baskets are three days. 19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head and impale your body on a pole. And the birds will eat away your flesh.”

Read on to get the rest...

The three days is 3000 years past Christ's life on Earth. We are in day 2 now. The different breads should be clear to us today. All of this leads up to the days of famine. If you don't know the symbolism, you may have missed what I am saying with the bread and cup.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by steppenwolf86

 

So why would he punish us for using the free-will he gave us? What about the Muslim children who were never exposed to the bible or Jesus? Are they sent to hell because their parents taught them to believe in a lie? The same goes for Judaism and Christianity. If you deny Mohammed and his teachings because you were raised to believe something different, do you go to hell in that situation as well?
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I can't see why god would give us the ability to reason and question only to turn around and tell us not to use those abilities. If faith overrides logic (I have seen this said before) then what is the reason behind giving us logic?

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As a Catholic, I believe that people who live a.good life go to heaven. It is the hard core mostly non denominational bible thumpers that believe you have to.believe in Christ to be rewarded in the afterlife. I personally believe if you live a good life and help people you end up in God's kingdom no matter what your faith is, mostly because of your example... No loving God would teach to honor thy father and mother then punish you for following the "wrong" set of beliefs. These are all pretty basic arguments, why are you so intent on voicing you atheism? No one wins these debates.

reply to post by steppenwolf86


I'm not atheist, nowhere near it actually. I believe in the god that Jesus preached about, the I Am, not the god Paul turned it into. I have become spiritually aware while you remain in the shadow cast by Paul and his church.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by steppenwolf86

 

I'm not atheist, nowhere near it actually. I believe in the god that Jesus preached about, the I Am, not the god Paul turned it into. I have become spiritually aware while you remain in the shadow cast by Paul and his church.

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Spiritually aware but judgemental. Where do you get off telling me what I believe, especially when what I have explained of my own core beliefs goes against what most Christians consider the core of their faith, ie belief in Christ will give you a ticket to heaven? Get off your high horse, if you are so spiritually aware you should be able to recognize your own lack if humility when facing the same questions man has asked since he looked inside his soul. Your attitude is why discussing religion is never worthwhile.

reply to post by steppenwolf86


Sorry for assuming, I didn't mean to come off as self-righteous or judgemental, that's the furthest thing from the truth. I'm very open-minded and humble truthfully. Sorry if I offended you.

ETA: I agree with your belief that good people deserve good outcomes no matter what their beliefs are. Again, my bad. Star for pointing out my mistake.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Baptism is only symbolic of natural birth, not a substitution. I agree with the premise of baptism, it represents a fresh start to life, a new beginning, a point in life where you want to right your wrongs. It parallels child birth in many respects including immersion into the water (amniotic fluid), being raised out of the water (birth), and receiving of the holy spirit (conception), but it is not required in my opinion.

The holy spirit is not something you receive only after accepting Jesus and getting baptized, you receive it at birth. Without the holy spirit (consciousness/image of god) you would never have been born to begin with, you would have been a miscarriage or a vegetable. Everyone has the holy spirit, not just believers in Christ.

The Holy Spirit is here as a comforter and restrainer right now. None of us possess it yet. We must be baptized into the Spirit first and there is a timetable.

Epistle of Barnabas 15:4

Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end."

2 Days -Adam to Abraham 2000 Years of Age 1 (FATHER)
2 Days -Abraham to Jesus 2000 Years of Age 2 (SON)
2 Days -Jesus to Today 2000 Years of Age 3 (HOLY SPIRIT)
1 Day -Day of Rest (Day of the Lord) 1000 years (SALVATION)
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7 Days (7000 years - Approximately 6000 have passed)

The age of the Father witnessed Adam to Abraham.

The Age of the Son is Issac to Jesus.

The Age of the Holy Spirit is to come after this age has completed. The baptism is by fire and Spirit. Water puts out fire.

Matthew 3

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

The enemy must be sent to the Abyss.

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Is the enemy the footsool? Has Christ reigned in person yet or made the enemy the footstool? No. We are still under a tyranny.

Originally posted by steppenwolf86
As a Catholic, I believe that people who live a.good life go to heaven.

Religion will NEVER tell you the TRUTH...

This is how we KNOW that God is not the author of Religion.

Originally posted by amfirst
Yes u are right, there are satanists in the Vatican. They are members of the Illuminati. This is how they infiltrate the church. Some eventually become cardinals and perform satanic black mass. Father Malachi Martain wrote about it in his book, he too was a exorcist and a adviser to 3 popes.

In fact I believe it was the THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA that states that the church will be infiltrated by Satan aka the New World Order.

"Then the Lord took me to a place where there was a very well-known man. Before now, I used to live as an ignorant young christian. I used to think that any person that died would go to Heaven; that those who celebrated mass would also go to heaven, but I was wrong. When Pope John Paul II died, my friends and relatives would tell me that he had gone to heaven. All the news on TV and other media would say: “Pope John Paul II has died, may his soul rest in peace. He is now rejoicing with the Lord and his angels in heaven” and I believed all of it.

But I was only fooling myself, because I saw him in Hell, being tormented by flames. I looked at his face and recognized him. The Lord said to me, “Look, daughter, that man that you see there, is Pope John Paul II. He is here in this place being tormented because he did not repent.”

But I asked, “Lord, why is he here? He used to preach at church.” Jesus replied: “Daughter, no fornicator, no idolater, no one who is greedy and no liar will inherit My Kingdom.” (Ephesians 5:5). I replied, “Yes, I know that is true, but I would like to know why he is here, because he used to preach to multitudes of people!”

And Jesus responded, “Yes, daughter, he may have said many things, but he would never speak the truth as it is. He never said the truth. Although he knew the truth, he preferred money over preaching about salvation. He never told the truth; he would not say that hell is real and that heaven also exists. Daughter, now he is here in this place.”

When I looked at this man, he had a large serpent with needles, wrapped around his neck, and he would try in vain to take it off. He pleaded with Jesus, Lord, help me!” The man would scream, “Help me, Lord; have mercy on me; take me out of this place; forgive me! I repent, Lord; I want to return to earth, I want to go back to earth to repent.” The Lord observed him and said to him, “You knew very well that this place was real… It’s too late; there is no other opportunity for you.”

The Lord said, “Look, daughter, I am going to show you the life of this man.” Jesus showed me a huge screen on which I could observe how this man offered mass many times to the multitudes. And how the people who were there were so idolatrous. Jesus said, “Look, daughter, there are many idolaters in this place. Idolatry will not save, daughter. I am the only One who saves, and outside of Me, no one saves. I love the sinner, but I hate sin, daughter. Go and tell humanity that I love them and that they need to come to Me.”

As the Lord was speaking, I began to see how this man received multitudes of coins and bills; money, all of which he would keep. He had so much money. I saw images of this man seated on a throne, but I was also able to see beyond that. While it’s true that these people do not get married, I can assure you, I’m not making this up; the Lord showed it to me, those people do sleep with nuns; with many women.

The Lord showed me these people living in fornication, and the Word says that no fornicator will inherit His Kingdom. As I was watching all of this, the Lord told me, “Look daughter, all of this which I am showing you is what goes on, what he lived and what keeps on happening among many people, among many priests and popes existing.”

Then he told me, “Daughter, go and tell humanity that it’s time to turn to Me.”

Prepare to Meet your God

YouTube - Pope John Paul II is in Hell

reply to post by EnochWasRight


As I said before, baptism is allegory for natural child birth, you receive the spirit the moment you are conceived. Baptism is not needed to get the holy spirit, without the holy spirit you would never get to experience baptism because you'd be brain-dead.

It's very simple to understand, faith is not needed to gain entrance into heaven because we are already here. It just so happens that Earth is hell within heaven and the reason we are here is because most have been taught that faith is more important than works which is a lie employed by those in power to control people.

Jesus' gospel was not about believing in him to gain eternal life, the "good news" was that we all have eternal life by default and in order to make this eternal life the best for everyone is to love and forgive others as you do yourself. Faith and salvation are the work of Peter/Paul, he is the antichrist who gave the world this "strong delusion" that he speaks of. To believe 100% without question that Jesus somehow was raised from the dead is delusional and goes against logic.

Read Revelation, it speaks of the beast as healing a mortal wound and living. Didn't Jesus heal a mortal wound when he rose from the dead? Revelation is a book about things that have already passed and it points toward the church's version of Jesus as the beast. Revelation 12 is the strongest indication that Jesus the messiah is the antichrist made by the beast (the church).

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Jesus' gospel was not about believing in him to gain eternal life, the "good news" was that we all have eternal life by default.

If I could send you to hell for five minutes, you’d come back with a different outlook...

The two angels escorted me to Hell. They said, “Now you will visit Hell.”…There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)

Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1

On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.

Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.

It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God.

Placebo by Howard Pittman

reply to post by Murgatroid


No need to send me there, I'm already here. You let your fear of hell cloud your judgement, which is the purpose of what the church teaches. They keep you in constant, subconscious fear in order to make you more pliable and more willing to submit to their "authority".

Originally posted by thePharaoh
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

 

islam, is a pretty young religion

its about 1,400 years.....its easy to see why its considered pure

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Because it still stones people, beheads people, and cuts the hands off thieves.

Purity. You can have it. I'll stick with depraved..

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

As I said before, baptism is allegory for natural child birth, you receive the spirit the moment you are conceived. Baptism is not needed to get the holy spirit, without the holy spirit you would never get to experience baptism because you'd be brain-dead.

It's very simple to understand, faith is not needed to gain entrance into heaven because we are already here. It just so happens that Earth is hell within heaven and the reason we are here is because most have been taught that faith is more important than works which is a lie employed by those in power to control people.

Jesus' gospel was not about believing in him to gain eternal life, the "good news" was that we all have eternal life by default and in order to make this eternal life the best for everyone is to love and forgive others as you do yourself. Faith and salvation are the work of Peter/Paul, he is the antichrist who gave the world this "strong delusion" that he speaks of. To believe 100% without question that Jesus somehow was raised from the dead is delusional and goes against logic.

Read Revelation, it speaks of the beast as healing a mortal wound and living. Didn't Jesus heal a mortal wound when he rose from the dead? Revelation is a book about things that have already passed and it points toward the church's version of Jesus as the beast. Revelation 12 is the strongest indication that Jesus the messiah is the antichrist made by the beast (the church).

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None of that is accurate to the three day sign of Jonah. Three days is three thousand years. Israel becomes a nation again on time with the prophecies.

Isaiah 11:11
In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea.

Here is God's judgment predicted ahead for us to clearly read.

The Prophecy ... Ezekiel 4:4-6

"Then God said to Ezekiel,
'Now lie on your left side for 390 days
to show Israel will be punished for 390 years
by captivity and doom.
Each day you lie there represents
a year of punishment ahead for Israel.
Afterwards, turn over and lay on your right side
for 40 days, to signify the years of Judah's punishment.
Each day will represent one year . . .'"
(Ezekiel 4:4-6)

390 days Judgment against the 10 northern tribes 'Israel'
+ 40 days Judgment against the 2 southern tribes 'Judah'
= 430 years Judgment against the nation of Israel

Fulfillment

430 years of judgment determined against nation Israel
- 70 years fulfilled during the Babylonian captivity
= 360 years remaining in judgment against the nation of Israel

Where are the 360 years?

"And after all this, if you do not obey Me,
then I (God) will punish you seven times more for your sins."
(Leviticus 26:18)

"Then, if you walk contrary to Me,
and are not willing to obey Me,
I (God) will bring on you seven times more plagues,
according to your sins."
(Leviticus 26:21)

"And after all this,
if you do not obey Me,
but walk contrary to Me,
then I (God) also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I will chastise you seven times for your sins.:
(Leviticus 26:27-28)

"I (God) will scatter you among the nations
and draw a sword after you;
your Land shall be desolate
and your cities waste."
(Leviticus 26:33)

This is a factor of 7 (7X)

360 Remaining years of judgment
x 7 The prophetic '7X' factor
= 2,520 Years of judgment remained against nation Israel

360 day years for prophecies, then add the appropriate 'leap months' to the schedule. So, the easiest way to unravel this prophecy is to first convert this prophecy into days ...

2,520 years
x 360 days
= 907,200 days of judgment remained against nation Israel after the Babylonian captivity

907,200 days ÷ 365.25 days = 2,483.78 years of God's judgment remained


Now have another look.

606 B.C Israel taken into Babylonian captivity
- 70 Years for 70 years
= 536 B.C. End of first 70 years of judgment
+ 2483 Years Now add the 2,483 years remaining in this judgment
+ 1 Year Add 1 year because there is no "0" B.C. or A.D.
= 1948 AD! End of judgment against nation Israel

One Generation to reveal the signs of Matthew 24. A generation is the precession of the Earth divided by 360. 29520 / 360 is 72. Seven years for tribulation and you have 2020. Jesus said the days would be shortened. We know the timing from the 50 years golden jubilees.

Jubilee Years

Genesis 6 tells the same story as Enoch. He gives man 120 jubilees. That's 6000 years. The day of the Lord is the last 1000. We are ending Day 6.

Genesis 6

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

If Yahweh, Jesus, and Allah are all the same entity then why do they spread such different messages?

Yahweh and Allah are the same, but Jesus is not Yahweh/Allah.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


I'm not sure how this has anything to do with what I said.

Revelation 12 is another indicator that the church's version of Jesus is the beast. It says that all inhabitants of the Earth would worship the beast that was wounded by the sword but lived. Sounds a lot like Jesus' resurrection doesn't it?

It also says that the beast has 7 heads with 10 crowns. Rome has 7 hills and Titus ruled around the time Revelation was written, he was the 10th emperor of Rome. 7 hills, 7 heads, 10 emperors, 10 crowns.... hmmmm.....

Revelation 13 mentions a woman giving birth to a boy, the boy is then said to be devoured by the dragon. This represents Jesus' birth and Rome snatching him from his mother. It also mentions the dragon sweeping a third of the stars out of the sky. Rome worshiped the sun, the sun is a star, the dragon sweeping a third of the stars down to Earth represents them adding pagan themes into the story.

Originally posted by winofiend

Because it still stones people, beheads people, and cuts the hands off thieves.

Purity. You can have it. I'll stick with depraved..

those things have nothing to do with religion...but more with cultural, local customs..

i dont see it in egypt, lebanon, syria, jordan, palastine, libya, or in any of the "Sunni" states

having faith in a creater, and having a deeper/divine meaning of life and life after death....is in no way depraved,
actually the opposite

you wanna believe you came from apes, no soul, life is insignificant and no afterlife...thats your view
but most people dont share it


peace

The three religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have many things in common Monotheism, the belief in a single God; Angels, Greek angelos, ”messenger” Moses as a prophet, the Ten Commandments, Satan and Abraham. The differences are, however very subtle, mostly due to the twists that Islam puts on conventional Christian and Jewish beliefs. Stories, such as those of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, are given in intricate detail and with slight revisions of the Christian biblical accounts. The political context must also be taken into account when trying to reconcile these three religions.

Islam recognizes the divine origins of the earlier Hebrew and Christian Scriptures and represents itself as both a restoration and a continuation of their traditions. Although Muslims believe that the original messages of Judaism and Christianity were given by God; they also believe that Jews and Christians eventually distorted them. The self-perceived mission of Islam, therefore, has been to restore what Muslims believe is the original monotheistic teaching and to supplant the older legal codes of the Hebrew and Christian traditions with a newer Islamic code of law that corresponds to the evolving conditions of human societies. As a result, Islamic traditions maintain that Jesus was a prophet whose revealed book was the Christian New Testament, and that later Christians distorted the original scripture and inserted into it the claim that Jesus was the son of God. (1) Or to take another example, Muslims maintain that the strict laws communicated by Moses in the Hebrew Bible were appropriate for their time. Later, however, Jesus introduced a code of behavior that stressed spirituality rather than ritual and law. Christians believe that Jesus introduced a code of behavior that stressed spirituality rather than ritual and law and did away with the Laws of Moses, but not the Ten Commandments. Those of the Jewish faith believe in the Laws of Moses and the Ten Commandments.

Most Muslims believe in angels, the Day of Judgment, heaven or paradise, and hell.
They believe that Angels are immortal beings that are incapable of unbelief and commit no sins and serve as guardians (Protectors) and recorders of deeds, a link between God and humanity (Messengers). On the Day of Judgment, people will be held accountable for their actions. Pilgrimage is required to Mecca once in a person’s lifetime. Jihad "to struggle" or "to exhaust one's effort," in order to please God or redemption by Good Works. Five prescribed daily prayers, ritual cleansing or purification of the body, standing, bowing, and prostrating during prayers and facing towards Mecca, Almsgiving, 2.5%, among other required tithes as a means to Salvation.

Most Christians believe in angels, the Day of Judgment, heaven and hell.
Angels have free will and are guardians, recorders of deeds, and a link between God and humanity. On the Day of Judgment people will be held accountable for their actions, mediated by the Christ. Fasting is recommended but not required and pilgrimage is not required. Almsgiving and tithing to the Local Church for support of that church and its missions typically 10%, other giving above the tithe is strongly encouraged, this is not a means to salvation. Daily Prayer is not regimented but is expected. Jesus’ crucifixion, death and resurrection Virgin birth and Divinity are integral to a Christian’s belief. Lowering the status of the Christ to a prophet would definitely cause conflict.
Most Jews believe in angels and heaven. No Day of Judgment or hell. Pilgrimage is recommended but not required. Justification comes by Good Works. Jews recite numerous benedictions throughout the day. Ritual cleansing or purification of the body is required. Almsgiving and tithing to the Local synagogue for support of that synagogue and its missions typically 10% as a means to Righteousness, there are many more required tithes on top of the weekly.

According to the Bible Old Testament or Torah, Ishmael was Abraham's first son, born when Abraham was 86 years old. Ishmael’s mother was Hagar, an Egyptian slave in Abraham's household. Isaac, born to Abraham by Sarah in his 100th year, was the first of his legitimate descendants. God demanded that Abraham sacrifice Isaac as a test of faith, but because of Abraham's obedient compliance, God permitted him to spare Isaac and rewarded Abraham with a formal renewal of his promise. After Sarah died, Abraham married Keturah and had six sons by her. He died at the biblical age of 175 and was buried beside Sarah in the Cave of Machpelah, in what is now Hebron, West Bank
According to Islamic tradition, Hagar was the true wife of Ibrahim and Ishmael the favored son and intended sacrificial victim. This would be a major cause of conflict between the three religions.

Jewish and Muslim dietary laws relate to the Temple cult. Ones table at home is deemed comparable to the table of the Lord. Certain animals, considered unclean, are not to be eaten (see Deuteronomy 14:3-21). Into this category fall pigs as well as fish without fins or scales. Edible animals, those that have split hooves and chew their cuds, must be properly slaughtered (kāshēr or “fit” and the blood fully drained before the meat can be eaten. Meat and milk products are not to be eaten together. This alone proves that Abraham was not kosher (see Genesis 18:7-8) Christians have no dietary restrictions believing that these Laws were supplanted by Christ. Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Eucharist, (Not universally observed among Christian denominations) or the Lord's Supper, in which Christians share in bread and wine and, through them, express and acknowledge the reality of the presence of Christ as they commemorate him in the communion of believers with one another. Most protestant denominations do not believe that the bread and wine actually turn into flesh and blood, Catholics say they do. Communion is taken in remembrance of the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus and not without cost. Cor. 11:25 - 27After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he comes. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Baptism (Not universal among Christian denominations) “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” or sometimes perhaps more simply “in the name of Christ,” was in the beginning the means of initiation into Christianity now it has taken on the same status it had in Judaism, a public display of faith and a changed life. At first it seems to have been administered chiefly to adults after they had professed their faith and promised to amend their lives, but this turned into a more inclusive practice with the baptism of infants called “christening” this also is not universal.

Allah, the supreme, all knowing, all-powerful, and above all, all-merciful God. The Arabic word Allah means “the God” and this God is understood to be the God who brought the world into being and sustains it to its end. By obeying God's commands, human beings express their recognition of and gratitude for the wisdom of creation, and live in harmony with the universe.

Christians and Jews teach that God is almighty in dominion over all that is in heaven and on earth, righteous in judgment over good and evil, beyond time and space and change; but above all they teach that “God is love.” The love of God and the love of neighbor are the two chief commandments in the ethical message of Jesus. The Bible forbids representations of God. It also forbids praying to an image or statue, in my opinion this puts the Catholic Church in danger of Idolatry. For the religious Jew, the entirety of life is a continuous act of divine worship. “I keep the Lord always before me” (Psalms 16:8), a verse inscribed on the front wall of many synagogues, aptly characterizes Judaic piety. Jehovah, name of the God of the Hebrew people as erroneously translated from the Masoretic Hebrew text. The word consists of the consonants JHVH or JHWH, with the vowels of a separate word, Adonai (Lord). What its original vowels were is a matter of speculation, for because of an interpretation of such texts as Exodus 20:7 and Leviticus 24:11, the name came to be regarded as too sacred for expression; the scribes, in reading aloud, substituted “Lord” and therefore wrote the vowel markings for “Lord” into the consonantal framework JHVH as a reminder to future readers aloud. The translators of the Hebrew, not realizing what the scribes had done, read the word as it was written down, taking the scribal vowel markings as intrinsic to the name of their God rather than as a mere reminder not to speak it. From this came the interpretation Jehovah. Translations in the Greek Orthodox church shows the forms Jabe and Jâo to be traditional, as well as the shortened Hebrew forms of the words Jah (see Psalms 68:4, for example) and Jahu (in proper names). It indicates that the name was originally spoken Jaweh or Yahwe (often spelled Yahweh in modern usage). Etymologically, it is a third person singular, imperfect, probably of the verb hawah (or hajah), signifying “to be.” The older interpreters explain the verb in a metaphysical and abstract sense; the “I am” of Scripture is “He who is,” the absolutely existent. (Exodus 3:14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The Arabic name for God, Allah, refers to the same God worshiped by Jews and Christians. Most Jews and Christians alike do not believe this statement. They believe that the Arabic word Allah comes from an older sect that had many gods and Allah was the name of one of the minor gods. Whether or not this is true only God knows for sure.

Muhammad as prophet is recognized only in Islam, and there are many stories about him, such as the one where he captures two Christian missionaries and requires them to write the Qur’an as he dictates it to them, or that he married a 9 year old girl and consummated that marriage (a reasonably common practice at that time), these stories are not proven but they do affect the way Christians and Jews perceive the Islamic religion. Historically the Jewish people were treated better under Muslim rule in Spain than at any time after, especially by the Christian churches which viewed the Jews as the murderers of Jesus when through a thorough reading will show that it was the chief priests, elders and the council. (Mat 26:59) in other words the religious leaders.

Christians and Jews have had problems in the past but they are moving closer as more and more Christians remember that Jesus was a Jew and that according to the Old Testament, God is a Zionist and the promises He made to the Israelites will be fulfilled.

Historically the Arab Governments around Israel have a real problem with the establishment of the country of Israel; the independent nation of Israel was created in 1948. Five Arab nations: Egypt, Transjordan (now Jordan), Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, immediately attacked Israel, and lost badly. These mostly Islamic countries have as their stated goal the total annihilation of the Israeli state.

The self-perceived mission of Islam has been to restore what Muslims believe is the original monotheistic teaching and to supplant the older legal codes of the Hebrew and Christian traditions with a newer Islamic code of law that corresponds to the evolving conditions of human societies. This statement would imply that Islam has no intention of playing nice.

As individual people all three of these religions can live in harmony, as proved here in the U. S. As world powers and “Governments” history shows that they have conflicting goals and desires for Jerusalem. On page 123 - 124 of Isis Unveiled H. P. Blavatsky states that Gautama based his moral ethics on three fundamental principals. 1.) That everything existing, exists from natural causes; 2.) That virtue brings its own reward, and vice and sin their own punishments; and 3.) The state of man in this world is probationary. She goes on to state that “on these three principles rested the universal foundation of every religious creed; God, and individual immortality for every man, if he could win it.” She asserts that this is the essence of every religious philosopher, Zoroaster, Pythagoras, Plato, Jesus and Moses.
Most consider Madam Blavatsky to be neither a scholar nor an unbiased documenter, but she is due some consideration as the founder of the Theosophical Society and as the first to bring the comparative study of religion to print in the U. S.
As Religions they all say that Love is the Law but none really practice it. Conversion seems to be the guiding principal for Christians and Muslims, Jews just want to be left alone to worship as prescribed in the Old Testament. Unlike the Christians and Muslims, the Israelites never tried to conquer another people for the purpose of conversion.

There are Fundamentalists and Moderates in all three of these religions, the moderates usually can agree to disagree, at the very least. The fundamentalists in any religion do not consider anyone who does not agree with them on all points as a member of their religion. Fundamentalists and Moderates are needed to balance each other within any belief system. If the Fundamentalists become too strong then the results can be episodes like the Crusades or the Inquisition, when the Moderates become too strong then the whole belief system is in danger of being absorbed into another system of belief, similar to what happened with many Pagan or Nature Worship systems when some of their beliefs were adopted by the Catholic church.

As long as the Arab nations refuse the right of Israel to exist there will be conflict between Islam and Judaism and so long as the U.S. supports Israel there will be conflict between Christians and Muslims. In some cases Religion and Politics make good partners but in other situations they don’t, the Arab/Israeli situation is one in which they do not. With the combination of the conflicts in the beliefs and the political situation in the mid-east there will be, at minimum, a certain level of tension between these three religious systems.

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(2) Isis Unveiled, Unabridged Edition, Theosophical University Press, 1976, Originally published in 1877

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If Yahweh, Jesus, and Allah are all the same entity then why do they spread such different messages?

God sent Jesus.... so Jesus cannot be God.
There is no rule that one needs to switch off their brains while reading scripture. If more people used this approach, things would be a whole lot clearer and false doctrines would be rooted out.

Muslims and Jews don't believe Jesus was god in the flesh, yet their god is supposedly the one who sent Jesus in order to become the messiah.

Jews and Muslims don't believe Jesus was God in the flesh... but both believe the messiah is sent by God.
The messiah is not defined as being God, but a human. The only difference between Jews and Muslims is that Jews reject Jesus as Messiah and that Muslims accept Jesus as Messiah.

If your god truly does exist then why does he let all of this confusion about him take place?

The confusion exists in the minds of men.

Was Jesus the messiah or not? Was Mohammed an impostor or not?

Depends who you ask.

Jews : Jesus was not the messiah, Mohammad was an impostor
Christians : Jesus was the messiah. Mohammad was an impostor
Muslims : Jesus was the messiah. Mohammad was a true prophet of God.

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Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are all Abrahamic religions, meaning all prophets mentioned in the Torah, Koran, and Bible are descended from Abraham. If they all share the same god (that of Abraham) then why do they constantly bicker between one another about who's right and who's wrong?

In my opinion.
There is friction between the three monotheistic faiths because all three are internally divided on the truth and meaning of the scriptures. How can the various Christian denominations not bicker with other faiths,when there is bickering within our own denominations and even within our local churches.

There are hundreds of different denominations in Christianity because some ministers do not have the proper reverence for the word of God. Then there are some who are ignorant in certain areas of the scriptures and there are others who are twisting the scriptures to deceive. It has been said that you could not get ten Baptist preacher to fully agree on anything. Add to this the fact that the New Testament is the hardest book to master, case in point the book of Daniel and Revelations are sealed unto the end.

Br Ben

Originally posted by BrBen
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There are hundreds of different denominations in Christianity because some ministers do not have the proper reverence for the word of God.

The truth is Christianity has no denominations. Catholics and Protestants do, but not Christians.

The reason why Catholics and Protestants have so many denominations is because they do not have the Holy Spirit to teach and guide them.

Yes easy to see why islam is pure while they behead girls for
being raped, stone women for dating non muslim men,
making sure women education is insufficient and being general
busy bodies poking their nose into every non religious person
business via sharia law, sure its pure, pure bigotry, hate and
immorality, but i digress, all religions are a problem, christianity
and judahism are no more innocent than islam is.

To me its sick that they try to sell the idea that islam is a religion
of peace, it is not, none of them are, they all preach an oppressive
world view that is the enemy of freedom, every single religion,
these are people who by supporting the religious establishment,
give it power, finances and acceptance as moral, when people
do immoral things that effect others, the proper way to respond
is with outrage and the loss of support from those of us who
are moral, they must be made to feel like outcasts because they
chose to become outcasts, they need to treated as the insane
bigots they really are.

Until society starts treating religious nuts like they are actually
nuts then we are all doomed, religious law will eventually take
over the world and then a major religious war is sure to happen.....
i think id much rather go with a secularist society where
at the very least religion is not just one more means to
incite violence.......