Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Baptism is only symbolic of natural birth, not a substitution. I agree with the premise of baptism, it represents a fresh start to life, a new
beginning, a point in life where you want to right your wrongs. It parallels child birth in many respects including immersion into the water (amniotic
fluid), being raised out of the water (birth), and receiving of the holy spirit (conception), but it is not required in my opinion.
The holy spirit is not something you receive only after accepting Jesus and getting baptized, you receive it at birth. Without the holy spirit
(consciousness/image of god) you would never have been born to begin with, you would have been a miscarriage or a vegetable. Everyone has the holy
spirit, not just believers in Christ.
What you are saying is entirely true, yet you need to keep reducing the thought to the beginning. All of what we do is a symbol of what was already
done. Read John 3 with this in mind:
Latin and Greek root Amni
Amni - Stream of Water or River
Amnio - Greek "Bowl" or "Lamb"
"Denotes a thin, transparent, tough membrane lining and the fluid-filled cavity contains the embryo of reptiles, birds, and mammals [amniotes]; the
membrane around a fetus; diminutive of amnos, lamb; a bowl in which the blood of sacrificial victims was caught. Now used primarily to indicate the
membrane surrounding the fetus in utero. "
Amnion - The amnion is a membrane building the amniotic sac that surrounds and protects an embryo.
Amniotic Fluid - Amniotic fluid or liquor amnii is the nourishing and protecting liquid contained by the amniotic sac of a pregnant woman.
Amnia - bag of waters; the extraembryonic membrane of birds, reptiles, and mammals, which lines the chorion.
Sia - Greek > Latin: a suffix; actor, process, condition, or state of; result of; expresses a state or abnormal condition or process of some
Amne(sia) - From modified Latin amnesia, from Ancient Greek ἀμνησία (amnēsia, “forgetfulness”).
AMNE´STIA (ἀμνηστεία）Amnesty is a word used by the later Greek writers, and from them borrowed by the Romans, to describe the act or
arrangement by which offences were forgotten, or regarded as if they had not been committed, so that the offender could not be called to account for
The waters of life are entirely the womb of the mother, yet so are the waters of our existence in the womb of the Earth. We gain union with God in
our own time. The soul must gain union with the spirit in love. Once this takes place fully, we are born of water and THEN of Spirit. Water must
come first. Some will require a baptism of fire. Fire is put out by water.
Read John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to
flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it
pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
The wind blows the dew across the land. Where it lands is entirely the choice of the wind and law that governs it. The sun rises and the dew
evaporates and is distilled. The fruit below is made by the process. God can only give, even when we see it as taking.
There are 5 baptisms.
Earth - We are planted into the Garden. We are not rooted in the soil like plants or in a fixed domain like fish. Instead, we can occupy all
domains. This autonomy requires that we overcome these domains by hardships. The wilderness we occupy was provided to allow our growth by
Air - We are given the Word of God as a guide to the wilderness. This word is also the language we learn and master. Meaning ultimately comes when
we decipher the inner symbols of nature and overcome our ignorance and pride of the outer world. Meaning springs from the root, just like a plant.
Water - We are baptized into the Water (Immersion into Reality). The water cleanses the temple (body). The temple is where the sacrifice is made.
This temple houses the spirit of God, along with our soul. We are to overcome as we are born again. "You must be born again." Plants die and the
seed perpetuates to the next generation. Producing fruit ensures seed for the next crop.
Again, from Isaiah 2619 But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.20 Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind
you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of
the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
Fire - We are finally baptized by Trials. The Flaming Sword of God cuts away pride and protects the tree of life. The tree of life is DNA. We
light the fire we burn by. We can also put out the fire with the water.
Spirit - After overcoming the first four baptisms, we are then baptized by the Spirit of God. Jesus is necessary for us to be marked by the spirit
for salvation from the Fire. The water and blood of Christ brings salvation from the corruption of the elements.
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