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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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The rich have bought our government and have broken it.
They own it, they take all the responsibility for the shape it is in.

All the policy makers exist in a circle jerk between the Government and their respective Financial or Corporate CEO positions.

To solve the problem, we need to give the government back to the people and get $$$ out.




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by LIGHTvsDARK
Lefties went wild when that was stated by Cheney..........problem is, he was right. Law is just what will be enforced by government. Think about it, you have law at the federal level that requires the federal government to defend marriage between a man and a woman........passed by Clinton, also, the welfare law passed by Clinton............also not enforced by Obama.

The Constitution means NOTHING, without the people to enforce it. Funny how we have Supreme Court Justices that actually state that Constitutions of other countries are what new countries should emulate. We get new elected officials that break the law, they have still not passed a budget in over 4 years, yet they are not prosecuted for the crime.

Jon Corzine STEALS 1.6 Billion dollars and is not prosecuted. He states in his congressional testimony that he NEVER authorized the theft, yet one week later a memo is uncovered that proves he did authorize the theft.............yet no prosecution for perjury.

We in the US of A no longer live in a law and order society, we live in an anarchy or a feudal system, where certain people are held to law and others are not.

Oh well, Senator Sessions was correct, since the government cannot and WILL NOT follow the law about budgets, I therefore will not be sending them any of my labor. We have law as society so that things are fair, when government does not and will not follow the laws they pass, we as citizens have the right, neigh the DUTY to not comply.

They are right, it is just a God Damned Piece of Paper, since it is and all law based upon such, I will no longer comply to their GOD DAMNED LAWS!


There are many things that are ignored; IF INJUSTICE is left to prevail OR IF to big to jail.

You might be to big to jail but I would really check your situation before you get the pack of some alphabet agency on your case. They never give up; ever.

There were a few that decided to go against taxes and turning in their guns long ago. They were branded all sorts of derogatory names. When these misfits banded together there was a little war and a new nation was born.

Those who stood their ground when the knock on there door arrived have been buried and forgotten for over 200 years.

In our form of government (even with all it's faults) still provides for like minded individuals to band together in support of an idea and either elect like minded individuals or give money to someone who shares your thoughts and is willing to fight legislative to change the things that bug you...Not the greatest way to change something but if enough agree on something it is surprising how things can get changed. If you believe the Dems and Repubs are just opposite sides of a single face; the same body then.....not good for any of us.

I agree there is no place for corruption and to big to jail in a country founded on Constitutional law.

Otherwise it is the holiday season; may Santa Clause leave something really nice in your sock.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Who exactly is this rich fellow? Are they like the communist countries, the theocratic countries that are forcing us to do business with them? I mean, we are not doing it for our own capitalistic purposes are we? Oh noes, getting products from Somalia or say Kenya must be REALLY heating up the markets.

If you are going to talk economics, at least know a little bit more about it then say Biden or even Obama, he is like the most clueless person I have ever heard.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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LOL, how do you fight a corrupt system? By using the system?

People are wrong to think that by voting in someone or by pushing for reform things are going to change. We are past that, ever hear of Rome? Yeah, that is where we are at, to those paying attention at least.

I am not trying to mock you, I could use at least 2 dozen examples over the last year where the government and the media completely ignore huge criminal actions. The same thing happened in the USSR, do you think the US is immune to criminal activity?

Grow up is all I have to say.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Who is lobbying the government?
Who have been the top donors to the presidential campaigns.
Who have been raking in the profits despite the "recession"?

The Big Wall Street Banks and the Multi National Corporations that is who:
They owe no allegiance to this country as they chase for profits in overseas ventures, putting our own countrymen at a disadvantage, but yet want to dictate the direction of our government.

If these Financial Terrorists owe no allegiance nor well being to this country, then I sure as hell do not want them in my government either, because they will not nor have they been instituting policies beneficial to everyone but themselves.

Do you know how many Goldman Sachs Banksters rotate in between the government and the private sector for example?

They do not seem to subscribe to a "Democrat or Republican" ideology either since they have donated to both "sides"

2008 Obama

University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295


2012 Romney

Goldman Sachs $1,028,204
Bank of America $1,008,403
Morgan Stanley $908,805
JPMorgan Chase & Co $833,096
Wells Fargo $670,578
Credit Suisse Group $641,124
Deloitte LLP $608,876
Kirkland & Ellis $515,541
Citigroup Inc $507,699
PricewaterhouseCoopers $458,400
UBS AG $447,040
Barclays $446,000
Ernst & Young $389,242
HIG Capital $382,904
Blackstone Group $366,275
General Electric $332,625
EMC Corp $300,480
Bain Capital $285,970
Elliott Management $281,675
Rothman Institute $259,500


Looks like the Financial Terrorists lost on Romney, but their old boy Obama is still at the rein.
Voting for Ron Paul was definitely not an option they made clear via the Media.











Originally posted by LIGHTvsDARK
reply to post by jacobe001
 


Who exactly is this rich fellow? Are they like the communist countries, the theocratic countries that are forcing us to do business with them? I mean, we are not doing it for our own capitalistic purposes are we? Oh noes, getting products from Somalia or say Kenya must be REALLY heating up the markets.

If you are going to talk economics, at least know a little bit more about it then say Biden or even Obama, he is like the most clueless person I have ever heard.
edit on 22-12-2012 by jacobe001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by LIGHTvsDARK
reply to post by 727Sky
 


LOL, how do you fight a corrupt system? By using the system?

People are wrong to think that by voting in someone or by pushing for reform things are going to change. We are past that, ever hear of Rome? Yeah, that is where we are at, to those paying attention at least.

I am not trying to mock you, I could use at least 2 dozen examples over the last year where the government and the media completely ignore huge criminal actions. The same thing happened in the USSR, do you think the US is immune to criminal activity?

Grow up is all I have to say.


I do not disagree with anything you said other than the last line...I could probably be your grand daddy...By telegraphing your intent; future actions, etc etc you just place a big red arrow over your social security number.

Intimidate, infiltrate, exterminate....still used today all around the world.

If you believe many of the post at ATS then everything you say, email or write can and will be used against you...Just something to think about....Did you miss the part in my post where if the body politic is the same body then we are in trouble??

No harm done; some things are lost in the translation.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Article 1 section 8 lists powers that were restricted.

The entire point of that section of the US Constitution was to set a limit on the powers granted to the loose federation.
The reason that the Constitution was written was to stop exactly what happened when the organic act of 1871 was passed.

This act incorporated the United States into a national municipality.
Prior to that the united states was a federation, NOT a nation.

That is why each state has a capital .

Because each state was sovereign with regards to the other states.


Without getting into a semantic discussion over civil rights vs. civil liberties, the term civil rights was used before the Civil War. Feel free to search Google's news archive to see examples of the pre-1860 usage. I'm not sure how you got to civil rights only applying to freed slaves. The Civil Rights Act of 1866 extended the rights of white citizens to black citizens; ipso facto, civil rights already existed and were being exercised by white citizens before the Act.


Civil rights are rights granted by law.
The rights of citizens of each state were God-given, not law given with regards to the federal government.

Civil rights did not exist until the civil rights act.

This page will tell anyone reading everything they need to know.

You are spinning this information.

And to be honest with you, I don't care enough to prove you wrong.

link to original intent webpage.

Check out the link before you reply to me.
edit on 23/12/2012 by kyviecaldges because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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For those interested... this guy Dave Champion is an ex-police officer who has spoken and written on the concept of the federal government.

He is THE authority on tax laws in the patriot movement.

Here is his personal webpage.

Dave Champion.net

ETA:

This is a pdf of his response to paying taxes.

link to source
edit on 23/12/2012 by kyviecaldges because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Anyone who claims that not passing a budget is a "crime", is truly ignorant of even the basics of governing.

Fortunately, this minority of "American" si becoming extinct ... and right quickly. It is HIGHLY amusing to watch.



posted on Dec, 23 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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OP,

I can understand your perspective here. Most lucid people have also been pushed beyond their line in the sand, but I must say I disagree completely with you about our constitution being a God Damned Piece of Paper. Without it many of us would not have anywhere near the freedom we do today. (and we all know those are slipping away fast)

If it were not for our constitution, we would not be able to own guns, property, have laws which; at least subdue some criminal activity from society, etc, etc, etc... We would be mostly a completely lawless society, or living under the rule of a King/Queen. (No offense to those in other countries)

Our constitution provides us with many rights and liberties, which without, would leave us to truly fend for ourselves each and every day.

We certainly live in a nation where those 'elites' are above the law in every sense of the phrase, but it is due to many reasons. The main one being that; long ago, Americans fell asleep at the wheel, giving the elites the ability to seize power and alter this constitutional republic.
They control government, government does what they tell them to do and provides them a 'free pass' when their crimes become noticeable to the masses. They instill fear amongst our population to ensure they control our future. Taxation is simply one way they do it.

America's house of cards has begun to teeter, because it cannot sustain the financial facade much longer. It is only then, IMO, that the people have any chance of restoring our country to a constitutional republic. Will we be ready and more so, will we actually try?



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by LIGHTvsDARK
Lefties went wild when that was stated by Cheney..........!


They may have "gone wild" but it wasn't because of anything Cheney said. That quote is of a statement made by dubya.
edit on 12/24/2012 by dubiousone because: Spelling correction



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Yes, a piece of hemp paper. And the term "lefties", doesn't the OP realize that well over half the country, and well over half the world, are what he'd describe as "lefties". To me that makes them "centeries", pun on sentries intended.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Did you really have to use the Lord's name in vain in the title of your post to get your point across. I'm just sayin....



posted on Dec, 29 2012 @ 02:55 AM
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Not to cut down what else you wrote because most of it is on target but I would like to point out your very first line.

Lefties went wild when that was stated by Cheney
This was said by G.W. Bush not Dick Cheney.

The context is as follows....

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."
rense.com...

I have a hard time believing that no one else caught this obvious mistake.
edit on 29-12-2012 by KaenasDestiny because: sorry bad spelling






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