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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by ratedzero
to all of you from the UK, bugger off. we kicked your arses out many years ago.


Did that kicking of arses happen before or after we withdrew and burned your Whitehouse to the ground because of more pressing matters with the French at home?


we saved your arses in WWI and WWII.


Remind me, how many years we were fighting the war before the USA eventually grew some balls and joined in? oh and we were doing just fine without you.



you surrendered your guns and gun violence and knife violence in you country is outrageous.


No it isn't,it exists but it is certainly not out of control and it is certainly nowhere near the proportions of violence and murder rates of that in the USA. The land of the free.




the only thing that has kept Merry old England free from foreign occupation is Americans.


Please explain that one to me, because the last time the UK was succesfully invaded was in 1066 that is nearly 1,000 years ago and 400 years previous to your country even existing. Can you please tell me when the last time your American troops had a defensive ground force in the UK, oh thats right NEVER.




hell we have kept the whole world free right up until Obama gave the middle east back to the Muslims...


Yeah but the American version of Free not the English version. I'll give you a clue, American version of free means a centeral bank cartel and trades in US dollars and you get bombed back to the 19th centuary should your people choose not to comply




I got good new for any of you who think we will fail and faulter and become like the rest of socialized Europe, you're wrong we won't. their is a rifle behind every blade of grass, you want them? come get them.
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We won't need to come over and fight you, your obesity and diabetes epidemic will wipe out your population for us and as is already happening the Hespanics are moving back in. Who was it that decided your Presidential vote this term, oh year right the Mexican immigrants.


I hope those Americans that have got more than two brain cells are proud of this little deluded man above
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Bildo
I was hoping to see, somewhere on this site, the fact that we DO NOT get our rights from some piece of paper.
Even if they abolish the 2nd ammendment, it does not take away any of our rights. Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc, just clarify, and tell the government, certain things that they apparently need to be reminded of. They are that stupid. If you think that we only have the rights that those documents say, you're nuts.
Of course, if you are a US citizen/person, instead of an American, you only have privileges, not rights.

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."
-- Patrick Henry

"United States" is the "District of Columbia" incorporated.
"The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a State" Volume 20: Corpus Juris Sec. § 1785,
Also: NY re: Merriam 36 N.E. 505 1441 S. 0.1973, 14 L. Ed. 287


U.S. citizens were declared enemies of the U.S. by F.D.R. by Executive Order No. 2040 and ratified by Congress on March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1

FDR changed the meaning of The Trading with the Enemy Act of December 6, 1917 by changing the word "without" to citizens "within" the United States

Bond Servant
To cover the debt in 1933 and future debt, the corporate government determined and established the value of the future labor of each individual in its jurisdiction to be $630,000. A bond of $630,000 is set on each Certificate of Live Birth. The certificates are bundled together into sets and then placed as securities on the open market. These certificates are then purchased by the Federal Reserve and/or foreign bankers. The purchaser is the "holder" of "Title." This process made each and every person in this jurisdiction a bond servant.


I like the way you think. One of my favorite parts of the movie King Arthur is when he comes to a village held captive by some religious nuts (and I'm religious) he yells at the gathered crowd of villagers, "YOU WERE FREE FROM YOUR FIRST BREATH".

People don't know they were born free, but gave their control to a government.

We have to be careful when we give up our rights and make them someone else's responsibility.

Once they have responsibility for you they are then able to dictate what you can do. It is like when you live with your parents, you live by their rules.

You don't appreciate your rights until it is gone. Rights aren't given, you are born with them. The Constitution is unique in that a civilized society decided to recognized that you are born with rights and decided to honor those rights within its society. Contrary to popular belief, the price of living in a civilized society isn't that you have to abide by someone else's dictates.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh
firstly

if a gun is out of circulation.....that particular weapons potential to kill is no more

im not saying removing guns will stop murders

im saying removing guns will stop mass shootings

without a gun...or if a killer has small arms...he would be easier to tackle before 10+ murders...

im just saying...if im in a shopping mall, and a dudes kicking off with an 8 bullet pistol...he would be easier to tackle while reloading, than if he had a 30+ mag.....

im not saying get rid of your guns...just tone it down..make it harder to commit mass murder...

peace


Using the logic you used wouldn't someone be able to argue that if people were armed not only would mass shootings not happen, but it wouldn't be necessary to tackle anyone.

He would get shot the moment people realized he was trying to harm others. That is what citizens do for each other. I loved that this happened at a university, I never knew that.

Same logic coming from different sides. You are entitled to your opinion though, especially since these decisions don't affect you any either way.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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this is fantastic, americans telling other countries not to interfere with the affairs. pmsl. pot, kettle, very very black!

there is no arguement to this, 10000 plus gun crimes in the usa compared to less than the hundreds in other countries. the figures you talk about for rises in the gun crimes in the uk are probably in single figures. u have no arguement on this issue. thankfully for your illustrious country gun supporters are a minority. people realise its not cowboy land anymore.

as for protection against the NWO. they dont exist, u are being unbelievably dumb, probably listening to others like alex jones etc, and jumping on their ideas, at the same time making them rich

but u keep your guns if u want; the rest of us will just await the next inevitablt massacre with tears of disbelief.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Oooo one of these dumbarses.



Originally posted by ratedzero
to all of you from the UK, bugger off. we kicked your arses out many years ago.


Because the french joined in while we were kicking your rebellious patriotic arses. Infact the reason we withdrew was because we just could'nt be botherd to get into more debt fighting the french again. And you know why we were in debt?

Because we saved yours arses in the first place from french invasion dureing the seven year war.

lol you guys were saved buy the french lol


Originally posted by ratedzero
we saved your arses in WWI and WWII..

The typical dumbass american coment that shows how dire the American education system is!

No you didnt. World war one was a stalemate, you didnt save anyone just spend the war up.

As for world war 2? We were not france. We actually beat the German invasion in the battle of Britan which took place before you yanks got involved. We were also slowly beating back the Germans in Africa too.

I admit without your help and the USSR we would'nt have been able to kick the Nazi out of Europe.

World war 2 was a team effort between The common wealth forces, USA and USSR. In the battle for westen Europe just as many common wealth troops fought and died as Americans. As for pacific war? Our common wealth navy made up about a quater of Allied navy strength in the pacific theater and our Army tied up hundred of thousands of Japansese troops in Burma right up until the Japanese defeat.


Originally posted by ratedzero
the only thing that has kept Merry old England free from foreign occupation is Americans

From who? We have fought and won our own wars thankyou very much (see falklands).




Originally posted by ratedzero
I got good new for any of you who think we will fail and faulter and become like the rest of socialized Europe, you're wrong we won't. their is a rifle behind every blade of grass, you want them? come get them.
edit on 24-12-2012 by ratedzero because: (no reason given)


Fail and faulter? lol Most of Europe are happy with our evil socialized ways. It may not be perfect but the majority of us Europeans is we would rather live here than in the USA.


Originally posted by ratedzero
you're wrong we won't. their is a rifle behind every blade of grass, you want them? come get them.
edit on 24-12-2012 by ratedzero because: (no reason given)


Why would we want to come over and take them? We are happy over here. We just like laughing at you.
edit on 24-12-2012 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)



Originally posted by Snsoc

The peasants should know their place. And that's what Britain thinks of us. We're their retarded cousins, a land of debt criminals and religious crazies. We think we managed to rule the world for the 20th Century, but to them it's all a farce, like the house servants putting on a lord's clothing and pretending to be in charge.


No its just because of idoits like the above post I quoted we laugh at you. We repect Canada and Australia like equals.
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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How many times have you visited Britain?

The Brits may criticise their American friends from time to time but it is not because of the reasons you state but mainly because of the USA's superiority complex and the often at times complete lack of common sense. Your Citizens would rather uphold a 200 year old constitution than protect its children from crazies. The answer to being safe from Guns is not more guns, surely you can see the logic in that?


Are taking guns away the only way to protect kids from crazies? You are throwing away the baby with the bathwater and in the end it'll solve nothing except furthering someone's agenda.

Considering how America got its fear of government from England and Europe I cannot understand how you all believe your government to be so benign.

If you think the American government behaves badly now, wait until they take our guns away. Then you'll really hate us, because we won't be able to do sh!p.

That 200 year old document, is the only thing keeping us from absolute tyranny. Without it any ol' Hilter can come in and do whatever they want. That document doesn't just protect us, it protects the world from us. Allowing its erosion hurts everyone. The war in Iraq should have never happened? The Constitution doesn't allow us to go to war like that, but it happened b/c Congress made it a habit of not upholding its rules.

Don't you see? smdh
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Why YES,yes it is. My guns don't have a possibility to kill thousands in Europe or your humble Island nation,if turned over to terrorists.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Luckily there is not much chance of that happening anytime soon then. Paranoia is also not a good reason to advocate the legal carry of hand guns.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by crazyewok
Oooo one of these dumbarses.



Originally posted by ratedzero
to all of you from the UK, bugger off. we kicked your arses out many years ago.


Because the french joined in while we were kicking your rebellious patriotic arses. Infact the reason we withdrew was because we just could'nt be botherd to get into more debt fighting the french again. And you know why we were in debt?

Because we saved yours arses in the first place from french invasion dureing the seven year war.

lol you guys were saved buy the french lol


Originally posted by ratedzero
we saved your arses in WWI and WWII..

The typical dumbass american coment that shows how dire the American education system is!

No you didnt. World war one was a stalemate, you didnt save anyone just spend the war up.

As for world war 2? We were not france. We actually beat the German invasion in the battle of Britan which took place before you yanks got involved. We were also slowly beating back the Germans in Africa too.

I admit without your help and the USSR we would'nt have been able to kick the Nazi out of Europe.

World war 2 was a team effort between The common wealth forces, USA and USSR. In the battle for westen Europe just as many common wealth troops fought and died as Americans. As for pacific war? Our common wealth navy made up about a quater of Allied navy strength in the pacific theater and our Army tied up hundred of thousands of Japansese troops in Burma right up until the Japanese defeat.


Originally posted by ratedzero
the only thing that has kept Merry old England free from foreign occupation is Americans

From who? We have fought and won our own wars thankyou very much (see falklands).




Originally posted by ratedzero
I got good new for any of you who think we will fail and faulter and become like the rest of socialized Europe, you're wrong we won't. their is a rifle behind every blade of grass, you want them? come get them.
edit on 24-12-2012 by ratedzero because: (no reason given)


Fail and faulter? lol Most of Europe are happy with our evil socialized ways. It may not be perfect but the majority of us Europeans is we would rather live here than in the USA.


Originally posted by ratedzero
you're wrong we won't. their is a rifle behind every blade of grass, you want them? come get them.
edit on 24-12-2012 by ratedzero because: (no reason given)


Why would we want to come over and take them? We are happy over here. We just like laughing at you.
edit on 24-12-2012 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)



Originally posted by Snsoc

The peasants should know their place. And that's what Britain thinks of us. We're their retarded cousins, a land of debt criminals and religious crazies. We think we managed to rule the world for the 20th Century, but to them it's all a farce, like the house servants putting on a lord's clothing and pretending to be in charge.


No its just because of idoits like the above post I quoted we laugh at you. We repect Canada and Australia like equals.
edit on 24-12-2012 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)


Good on yer mate. I get totally pissed off with yanks who think they won WW 11 when they got bombed into it halfway through. We smashed the Nazis while they were busy watching Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire. extra DIV



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Oh we don't carry handguns around here,only police.Our guns are in our homes.
It may be legal to open carry but if you do YOU WILL be noticed....and covered.Which is why 4 out of 5 mass shooters prefer trench coats and fatigues.
Bad guys don't just waltz around with assault vests and fully automatic rifles on their backs like the movies.They hide,because we would shoot them.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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This is true, in fact the president had to "set us up" to get us involved as they had forced Japan into declaring war by economic sanctions.
And deliberately may have left Pearl Harbor open to attack by pulling the carriers.
We BOTH kicked ass so quit minimizing the british efforts in that time,We did give them small arms however.
We need not paint ugly childish pictures of our opinions of one another to debate.We WILL maintain our defensive postures and England will still be there for it.
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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by cavtrooper7
reply to post by Alfie1
 


This is true, in fact the president had to "set us up" to get us involved as they had forced Japan into declaring war by economic sanctions.
And deliberately may have left Pearl Harbor open to attack by pulling the carriers.
We BOTH kicked ass so quit minimizing the british efforts in that time,We did give them small arms however.
We need not paint ugly childish pictures of our opinions of one another to debate.We WILL maintain our defensive postures and England will still be there for it.
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I sincerely hope that the US and UK will remain the closest of allies.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by crazyewok
By the way my view on guns are that Hunting rifles, shot guns and hand guns should be ok as they are have legitimate uses but full qutomatic guns no....


Full automatic weapons are heavily controlled in the US as class III weapons. In the last 80 years there has been 2 deaths in America from full auto weapons....

With that said then you are ok with all the other guns that can be used for hunting, and pistols/shotguns that can be used for protection?



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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but what happens if we are invaded? not everybody with an assault weapon has incentive to mass murder and anyone with an assault weapon can be dealt with by a ka bar or a scoped mosin nagant. us having these assault weapons is less scary than a scoped mosin nagant. why? you can't make a 1000 yard killshot with an ar 15. imagine seeing your best friends head explode and ten seconds later you hear a faint crack. that 30 round mag will only save your life if you get within 50- 200 yards of your target it's just as if not more so demoralizing than having to deal with someone 50 to 100 yards away with an assault rifle when youre just as armed as they are. we don't want anyone to have an upper hand like mass murderers often do. so why take them off the shelves when we can make a plan of action? you guys invented the bren squad support weapon so its not like they don't make them for their military or sell the semi auto version over here. where i live, if you have no prior felonies, and are not wanted by the cops then you can buy whatever you want. it's simple, practical, not so minimalistic because an invading army wont have derringers and crossbows. furthermore, it's not that i don't like the uk, i plan to vacation there on my 50th birthday (24years ahead) i just hope the metal scene is still strong then. so yeah for better or worse assault weapons are here to stay for situations we hope doesn't happen when we least expect it. i mean a gun store down the street from me just raffled off a browning 30 caliber belt fed heavy semi auto machine gun with a gatling crank.



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by ratedzero
to all of you from the UK, bugger off. we kicked your arses out many years ago. we saved your arses in WWI and WWII.


erm....well look after your kids then..or someone else will

BTW...as for saving our asses...is that what hollywood said?



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by 1plusXisto7billion
Think about this for a minute. In order for a NWO to come about, several things must change in the US. We would have to basically eliminate the Constitution and all the States. There is no denying that the Obama admin has attacked serval of our Admendments already (indef detention, felony for protesting if secret service is present, etc.). What about the States? The only way to effectively limit them into submission would be to cripple their economy, force them to layoff their police, and for the military to reestablish order. Obviously, this will take years to happen (I'm guessing by 2020).

If we ban guns, we are not only taking away our rights, we will be weakening our economy. Every manufacturer, distributor, service rep, shooting range, etc. will feel the impact. How many jobs will be lost? How much additional money will be out of our economy? How big of an impact to do think that will have on an already crippled economy?


You said a mouth full there! I'd say you summed it up very well and put two and two together that most people do not. Everyone should read your post several times till it sinks in! Thanks for posting it well said!



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh
BTW...as for saving our asses...is that what hollywood said?


and we would do it again no matter how cattywompus you're being



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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ATS is doing something with the posts on this thread so I have deleted my comments.


What's with the Black lettering instead of White where the date and time of the post and the strange alignment of our Avatars?

It's okay, I will simply not comment /Salute



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posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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The English don't get it, if you can't defend yourself, YOU ARE PREY! You have been brainwashed into believing that you're doing fine. Your crime rate is higher, Muslims are taking over your country (with your government's help), you economy is in shambles, unemployment is high, your healthcare system is in the toilet, and I can just keep going. AND YOU, criticize the United States, FOR OUR GUN CRIME! If I were you, I would SWIM to America, if i had to, just to be free. You Brits are like a bird in a cage, you're just great and you think your free as the wind until someone lets you out of the cage. Once you leave the cage, only then will you understand,
what freedom is.......Merry Christmas!!!!



posted on Dec, 24 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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I went to the gun store today and when at the checkout I asked if they have any ARs the clerk told me they were sold out and currently had people on a waiting list backlogged 1500 orders. Anytime there is talk about gun bans people always stock up. Hell all the 30+ round magazines were the same way.


Good luck dissarming Americans. It just isn't going to happen.





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