Let's put This To Bed. The Five Worst Shootings Ever Were Not Done By Americans

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Wouldn't it be better to secure your home better so people can't break in, than support a method that also leads to crime?

My home is quite secure, but not defense is perfect especially since lethal mantraps are illegal. Thus my guns are another layer of defense.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
"#3: Martin Bryant, aged 29, captured, Port Arthur, Australia, 28 Apr 1996, 35 killed, 21 wounded.
Martin Bryant reportedly had an obsession with the movie trilogy Child's Play. His killing spree lasted 8 hours. He is currently serving 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in the psychiatric wing of Risdon Prison in Hobart Australia."

Well I bet he'll be out long before that...

What a stupid sentence...

No, he will die in prison. We don't have the death penalty here, so a sentence like that means he will never again be allowed out. How is that stupid exactly?

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
My home is quite secure, but not defense is perfect especially since lethal mantraps are illegal. Thus my guns are another layer of defense.

Oh so we have to allow guns, that lead to mass shootings, just so you can have another layer of defense?

The reality is the economic system you all love and support so much is what has lead to all this crime in the first place. Is it just a coincidence that the most capitalist loving nation has the most crime?

Before WWII property crime was extremely low, people left their doors unlocked. This was because the young especially had something to give them hope, that was socialism. Yes pre-WWII the working class was predominately socialist, even in the US. They had the hope that one day things will get better when the workers own the means of production. All kids see now now is a future without a job, and an irrational fear of anything socialist. Fear of change. Fear of other people. A lack of community. A lack of solidarity. No consideration for others.

reply to post by DaesDaemar


It's no use arguing with these gun-toting nutjobs mate, they are hellbent on retaining their right to shoot anyone, anywhere, anytime with anything regardless of how many people or children get killed as they simply pass it off as "collateral damage".

I say arm every single citizen in the US with 3 assault rifles each and sit back and watch the fireworks. When it's all over, the rest of us can clean up their mess then rebuild it properly.

Originally posted by muse7


The problem that is facing America is that these shooting sprees seem to happen every month, and that's not normal.

edit on 12/22/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

100 years ago, a higher % of Americans owned guns. And mass shootings didn't happen at all, maybe something close to a mass shooting once every few decades.

Guns are obviously not the problem. The problem is something in the water making americans psycho and violent.

Stop drinking the fluoride.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
"#3: Martin Bryant, aged 29, captured, Port Arthur, Australia, 28 Apr 1996, 35 killed, 21 wounded.
Martin Bryant reportedly had an obsession with the movie trilogy Child's Play. His killing spree lasted 8 hours. He is currently serving 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in the psychiatric wing of Risdon Prison in Hobart Australia."

Well I bet he'll be out long before that...

What a stupid sentence...

What part of 35 life sentences plus 1035 years without parole is so difficult to understand? He's never going to be released, ever. It's written in plain English, it's not like its in Japanese or something.

I'd say you we're grasping at straws but even straws make more sense than your post at this time....

reply to post by DarthMuerte


This all may be true...but it does not make me feel any better about the CT massacre; nor any of the other killings in the U.S.; or elsewhere..

I really hate all of the needless killings; anywhere that they happen in the world.

Comparing how many people were killed in the U.S. by white men; and more that were killed by men of races elsewhere...what does that prove? To me .....nothing; just that more people were killed. I just really think that all of it everywhere is awful.

And...pointing out that some group has killed less than others...does not make one bit of difference.

They all killed people and they were wrong!..no matter where on the planet earth they were and/or are.

reply to post by WP4YT


Please explain then why Australia hasn't seen a massacre since our gun laws came into effect yet we also have fluoride in our drinking water?

I'll give you a hint, it's not the fluoride in the water

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
My home is quite secure, but not defense is perfect especially since lethal mantraps are illegal. Thus my guns are another layer of defense.

What is this, the dark ages? Did you seriously just imply that you would use lethal mantraps if they were legal?

You going to start racking people next? How about pouring hot oil on them......or my personal favourite - crucifixion!!! There's nothin like a good crucifixion to warm the cockles of ones heart eh?!

I am so glad I live in a country where nobody would even dream of doing that because nobody would need to.

Cue some nonsense reason why we would......kgo..........

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by MrWendal

 

I think you are deliberately muddying the waters mate.

This thread is about gun control. You have stated that people don't need guns to kill other people - and used an example of the 7/7 bombings, which we have established could not have been prevented even IF the UK didn't have gun control laws. So please, tell me again, what you point has to do with the context of this thread being gun control and whether or not guns can prevent tragedies like 7/7 happening?

Again, I have made my point clear. If you refuse to see it, that is your problem.

reply to post by MrWendal


That was one of my earlier posts to you mate, why pick now to reply to it?

Are you reading this thread backwards or are you perhaps trying to muddy the waters?.........

reply to post by Kryties


I've noticed that my post has been ignored by them. I guess rational conversation and logic are lost in heated debates.

reply to post by DaesDaemar


Don't worry, MrWendal will save the day and reply to it in a few hundred pages or so

Originally posted by DaesDaemar
Well, as an Australian, our gun laws changed after Martin Bryant and we have had nothing like it since. Sure, you have gang warfare but those people will always find a way to get guns.

Yes , ask a customs officer , he will get you a gun, if one was a criminal.

Thousands upon thousands of semi automatic weapons in Australia all by virtue of Australian customs.

Google ABC uncovers customs corruption 2012 or something similar.

Originally posted by WP4YT

Originally posted by muse7


The problem that is facing America is that these shooting sprees seem to happen every month, and that's not normal.

edit on 12/22/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

100 years ago, a higher % of Americans owned guns. And mass shootings didn't happen at all, maybe something close to a mass shooting once every few decades.

Yes, a higher percentage may have owned guns, but what was the population then and how many guns were in circulation? It's not the guns that are the problem, everywhere has responsible gun owners. The difference is in the amount of guns you're allowed to have. There are way too many guns in America, that's the problem!

I have an idea for you America. How about you limit gun ownership to one handgun, which is to be properly secured and not carried around. Also allow one shotgun, for 'home protection', and one single shot bolt action rifle for hunting purposes. The weapons should be kept separate and secure at all times. I would think this is more than enough personal protection for a household, wouldn't you?

A little compromise and it's amazing what can be accomplished.

reply to post by OrionsWitness


No need for google, it's all over the news here. I did mention that criminals use money or coercion to obtain guns, so what's your point? Criminals get these guns and use them against other criminals most of the time. These weapons aren't distributed out to the general public.

America arms Syrian rebels. Like your statement, that has nothing to do with mass shootings by civilians.

Originally posted by Kryties

Did you seriously just imply that you would use lethal mantraps if they were legal?

I thought I was pretty explicit in what I said. Did you really not understand? If you stay out of my home, my traps would never be able to harm you. So, all you would have to do is obey the law and not break into my house. How is that a problem for anyone but criminals?

Originally posted by DaesDaemar
As for power outages and people coming to take your stuff, I'm not sure if people are familiar with our way of life here. We would more likely help each other than fight each other. We would expect the army to play a role in policing and we would welcome it. We do not fear that our armed forces would fire on us. It's called mateship.

History shows martially armed governments have already collectively killed 1/4 billion humans on our planet.

Death by GOVERNMENT has killed over 260 million people.

STOP believing the LIES and come to grips with who the REAL enemy is.

Germany has tough gun control laws, yet this didn't stop a gunman from killing 15 at a school near Stuttgart in 2009, nor did they prevent another gunman from killing 16 in Erfurt in 2002. The United Kingdom has very strict gun laws, yet this didn't prevent a psycho from killing 16 at a school in Dunblane, Scotland. Norway restricts guns severely, yet Anders Behring Breivik still managed to kill 69 children at a youth camp. Facts make it very clear — gun laws and "gun-free zones" don't deter criminals, they encourage them. Passing stricter gun control laws simply means more people are prepared to be victims of violent criminals who don't bother to obey these laws.

Why most Americans don't go along with the calls for gun control

Originally posted by Underworlds
Since the gun buyback in Australia...

Armed robberies UP +69%
Assaults with guns UP +28%
Gun murders UP +19%
Home invasions UP +21%

Since guns were bought back from "law abiding citizens" in Australia, it only goes to logic and reason that these staggering statistics are the result of those citizens who do not abide by the law. This goes to prove that the old saying is tried and true: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

reply to post by DarthMuerte


Thanks for confirming you would use lethal mantraps if they were legal. I believe we have entered the dark ages again now.

You never answered whether you were partial to a bit of crucifixion with your mantraps? I think they would look nice together don't you? Very medieval.......

Originally posted by Kryties

You never answered whether you were partial to a bit of crucifixion with your mantraps? I think they would look nice together don't you? Very medieval.......

Don't be an idiot. How would crucifixion or the rack defend my home against thieves?