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Let's put This To Bed. The Five Worst Shootings Ever Were Not Done By Americans

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
reply to post by exponent
 

Weapons are different then arms, a kitchen knife is a weapon, but it is not an "arm"..

You did know there are online dictionaries that can give free definitions correct?

The world repository of knowledge is at your fingertips.

All you have to do is use it.

You used it and the result said 'weapons'. Here's a supreme court decision:

The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity. Thus, the most natural reading of “keep Arms” in the Second Amendment is to “have weapons.”


In every sense there is a continuum between the least offensive and most offensive weapon. You seem to be acting as if there's a clear boundary between 'arms' and 'not arms'.




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by TheCanuckian

Also your disdain for other nations is racist and abhorrent. Your narrow-minded views are not worth listening to


Wow racist? Is the English French etc races now...lol

I love other countries, I spend a great deal of time in other countries, enjoying their lifestyles to the fullest. Just because I have little faith in their militaries does that make me some kind of racist, does it?...lol

You are very right in you don't know me or I you, we are having a debate and a part of that debate are our reasons why or why not guns should be available to the general public. This discussion has gone many ways with one of those ways being I have little faith in most militaries I have had the luxury to work with and that has become an abhorrent thought to you.

You reaction really show just how differently we think and maybe just how different America and Europe really are from one another....



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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I just noticed the last two episodes of American Dad showcased over the past couple days were gun related.

In these episodes it was trying to say that guns were good.

Is this a conspiracy? Or propaganda?

This was one of those episodes:


This was the other one:


I just noticed more cartoons have guns in them promoting how good and awesome they are.

Is it me or is anyone else noticing this?
edit on 22-12-2012 by Skywatcher2011 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by exponent

The UK have restricted all pistols and most rifles, but certain shotguns can be owned by a person with only a relatively minimal amount of checking and security.

What's wrong with this?


Do you have a problem with a shotgun that looks like this?



With the right tactical ammo I think a shotgun would be extremely lethal in a situation where there is a crowd of people somewhat close together, so once again I don't see us limiting anything short of outlawing ALL guns and other weapons.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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I have one last point to make in this thread. Does anyone living in the United States find that the biggest outcry of advocates screaming for gun control are foreigners


In Layman's terms: Foreigners argueing for gun control laws are not Americans, but individuals living in other nation states whom have no constitutional rights.

So if you have no constitutional rights, what gives you in any given way the right to think that you have or earned yourself a vested interest in the American process



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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reply to post by kingsquirel
 


Make you a deal then: America keeps out of everyone elses business first then we'll follow suit.

Deal?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by kingsquirel
 


Make you a deal then: America keeps out of everyone elses business first then we'll follow suit.

Deal?


If I were president, this deal would be sealed today.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Well, until then we feel we have the right to poke our noses into America's business just as much as America thinks it has the right to do the same to us.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties
What does a power outage have to do with gun control? Of course it is wise to prepare for such a scenario, lots of food and water and a warm place to sleep. How does that have anything to do with taking machine guns off nutjobs?


Well in denser populated places than the wide open outback in times when masses have not prepared they tend to want what you got. It would not take very long in a situation for this to happen. Now where you live 3/4 of the world could go nuclear and you guys might not even know it...hehe



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero
Now where you live 3/4 of the world could go nuclear and you guys might not even know it...hehe


I think the fact that the whole world had gone silent would clue us in that something was wrong.

Yes, we do have electricity down here. And those telephony/internetty things.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Ah, the good ole' two party system keeping the people divided like always. "Our overlords will only have the guns!" Ha, guns, they are already controlling you by making this an issue. "Guns kill people, they are bad." Well #, my hands are the things that pull the trigger and stab things, lets ban hands.


People are funny huh.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by AaronWilson
"Guns kill people, they are bad." Well #, my hands are the things that pull the trigger and stab things, lets ban hands.


It's much harder to kill a room full of kids without a gun in the aforementioned hand.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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Probably already covered but my 2c...

There have been shooting with more victims yes, but the problem is in America mass shootings are a regular occurrence.

The amount of victims per shooting is just "luck".

A continuous pattern of similar violent events shows more tendency towards violence in a population, than one or two with more victims.

To judge this on amount of victims, rather than amount of events is wrong.


edit on 12/22/2012 by ANOK because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Let's be real here people...




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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Wouldn't it be better to secure your home better so people can't break in, than support a method that also leads to crime?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Well, this thread turned into a slinging match!

A question to those who talk about hunting. In Australia, many farmers still own rifles. Bolt action, single shot rifles. Is this not sufficient to hunt? I wouldn't think it isn't much of a sport with an automatic weapon.

As for power outages and people coming to take your stuff, I'm not sure if people are familiar with our way of life here. We would more likely help each other than fight each other. We would expect the army to play a role in policing and we would welcome it. We do not fear that our armed forces would fire on us. It's called mateship.

I have no problem with responsible gun owners. I have a problem with the amount of guns in circulation. The more guns there are, the easier they are to come by for those wishing to do harm. Yes, you can kill with almost anything if you set out to do it, no one argues that. What we argue is trying to make it a little harder for them to do so. If some couldn't get a gun, maybe they would consider it too much effort.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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reply to post by Kryties
 


What is your definition of an "assault weapon"?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties
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Dude our news here in Australia has been calling the AR-15 and ASSAULT rifle and comparing it to M4's and M16 except that the rapid fire capability has been removed from the civilian version. I am simply copying what they are saying.
So, you don't know what an assault weapon is, you are just drinking the liberal media kool aid.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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"#3: Martin Bryant, aged 29, captured, Port Arthur, Australia, 28 Apr 1996, 35 killed, 21 wounded.
Martin Bryant reportedly had an obsession with the movie trilogy Child's Play. His killing spree lasted 8 hours. He is currently serving 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in the psychiatric wing of Risdon Prison in Hobart Australia."

Well I bet he'll be out long before that...

What a stupid sentence...



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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Our governments are the REAL mass murderers.


- 262,000,000 Murdered: [20th Century Democide]

- Over 133,147,000 Murdered: [Pre-Twentieth Century Democide]

Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT


Between 1980 and 2008, 4,685 people died in mass-murders.

In the 20th Century:

- Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.

- Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.

How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.

Death by "Gun Control"


"...the tragic fact is that disarming victims leads to great bloodshed. I'm referring to the millions of people who died at the hands of their government over the past century. Most of these mass murders were preceded by a cynical and calculating "gun control" program, leading to eventual disarmament. Genocide followed soon thereafter."

Leave Mass Murder to the Professionals





edit on 22-12-2012 by Murgatroid because: I felt like it..




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