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Let's put This To Bed. The Five Worst Shootings Ever Were Not Done By Americans

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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It clearly says the right to bare arms, so that is still up to debate as to which arms those are.

However it doesn't say "only muskets" either




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by TheCanuckian
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. Many are fighting for the right to carry arms meanwhile 20 children are being buried.
It's hell on earth when the innocent die while the evil people of the world dictate laws and regulations and pass them off as righteous.

Ignorance may be bliss for the ignorant, for the knowledgeable it's a world wide plague that needs purging.


Thanks mate. You'll note they are ganging up on me now and attempting to make me out to be some sort of nutjob.........



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by TheCanuckian
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. Many are fighting for the right to carry arms meanwhile 20 children are being buried.
It's hell on earth when the innocent die while the evil people of the world dictate laws and regulations and pass them off as righteous.

Ignorance may be bliss for the ignorant, for the knowledgeable it's a world wide plague that needs purging.


Thanks mate. You'll note they are ganging up on me now and attempting to make me out to be some sort of nutjob.........


Yes that's what people do when they fail to find any more facts to support their side of the debate.
Fact is they already lost and it's better for you to move on. Consistent defense of your stance is not necessary.

Educated people reading this will look at your post with admiration, and others with disdain. Trust me on that.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by TheCanuckian
Wow, just wow. I know now how clueless you are about realities with that statement and find the rest of your posts unreliable. This one statement kind of turned me on you in a sense that I now know your just speaking off the cuff without much factual evidence to support your claims.

Your disinfo, move on please.


Some here are not armchair quarterbacks speaking all their beliefs from what they read on the net. Some of us actually get out and see the world for what it is or isn't. I as example, just came back from Afghanistan last Sunday where I went to 7 different FOBs for the last two months.

I fully understand the capabilities, or lack of, of the many different nations involved there. As one example of where I was at. The Americans were fully integrated with the Afghan National Army doing 3 to 4 operations per week and the Germans/Italians a few miles away were safely secured behind their massive Hesco barrier base that looked more like a summer camp than a military base.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by TheCanuckian
Wow, just wow. I know now how clueless you are about realities with that statement and find the rest of your posts unreliable. This one statement kind of turned me on you in a sense that I now know your just speaking off the cuff without much factual evidence to support your claims.

Your disinfo, move on please.


Some here are not armchair quarterbacks speaking all their beliefs from what they read on the net. Some of us actually get out and see the world for what it is or isn't. I as example, just came back from Afghanistan last Sunday where I went to 7 different FOBs for the last two months.

I fully understand the capabilities, or lack of, of the many different nations involved there. As one example of where I was at. The Americans were fully integrated with the Afghan National Army doing 3 to 4 operations per week and the Germans/Italians a few miles away were safely secured behind their massive Hesco barrier base that looked more like a summer camp than a military base.



Your a grunt, speaking like your a general with internal knowledge of the defense of the EU.
You know what you have been fed and nothing more, everything else you spew is not supported by facts at all.

Being a veteran or a in the military does not make you an expert on the defense of the EU at all. So quite trying to be all high and mighty. I KNOW your speaking out your bunghole. So stop trying to convince me and all who read this your right and I am wrong.

Fact is you have nothing to support your argument at all. For all I know your not even in the military, you could even be Chinese for all I know.

You want to feel important or something? Is that why you need so bad for me to agree with you?

Also your disdain for other nations is racist and abhorrent. Your narrow-minded views are not worth listening to.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
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It clearly says the right to bare arms, so that is still up to debate as to which arms those are.

However it doesn't say "only muskets" either

Right, it says only a militia essential to security. So either we have to grasp that it covers tanks, guided missiles etc, or that it doesn't determine what those arms may be.

The UK have restricted all pistols and most rifles, but certain shotguns can be owned by a person with only a relatively minimal amount of checking and security.

What's wrong with this?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by TheCanuckian

Yes that's what people do when they fail to find any more facts to support their side of the debate.
Fact is they already lost and it's better for you to move on. Consistent defense of your stance is not necessary.

Educated people reading this will look at your post with admiration, and others with disdain. Trust me on that.


You're absolutely right mate, it's my bedtime anyways (I say this as I watch the sun rise....)

I have said my piece and I shall now abstain from further debate on the topic. I hope some people reading my posts realise I only have the very best intentions at heart.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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well then you might want to ban cars in Australia, you have about 1400 deaths per year, if you really cared you would worry about that


but that's different, right?


and as I said before I do NOT own a weapon



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
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well then you might want to ban cars in Australia, you have about 1400 deaths per year, if you really cared you would worry about that

but that's different, right?

I don't see how it's different. Many nations have very strict car laws. Here cars must be inspected once a year, must conform to a specification that ensures they are safe for drivers and relatively safe for pedestrians. Changes in mental state are notified to the licensing authority and you have to have passed an aptitude test and a danger theory test.

That's more than is required for most situations in the US.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
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well then you might want to ban cars in Australia, you have about 1400 deaths per year, if you really cared you would worry about that


but that's different, right?


and as I said before I do NOT own a weapon


Your deflection methods are laughable. Can't win the argument so focus our attention on car deaths now?
That's comparing apples to oranges as well and has no logical basis for comparison.

How old are you? I am thinking about 14 right now...

Since the maturity level in this topic is well below my threshold, my comments are done here.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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"what's wrong with this"

Nothing at all, in YOUR country. My country has a constitution that says I have the right to arms, and it also says it shall not be infringed ( even though it already has in many many ways)



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
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"what's wrong with this"

Nothing at all, in YOUR country. My country has a constitution that says I have the right to arms, and it also says it shall not be infringed ( even though it already has in many many ways)


Ok keep your guns. As long as your ok with a random number of children dying due to them lets you sleep ok at night, go for it. It's your Country. When it folds in on itself because of the ignorance displayed don't go crying to other countries, mkay?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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No comparison?? 20 deaths vs 1400 you're correct, cars are way worse than guns, but folks are just too lazy to ride bikes

( no I do not own a car)



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by TheCanuckian

Originally posted by thedigirati
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well then you might want to ban cars in Australia, you have about 1400 deaths per year, if you really cared you would worry about that


but that's different, right?


and as I said before I do NOT own a weapon




Your deflection methods are laughable. Can't win the argument so focus our attention on car deaths now?
That's comparing apples to oranges as well and has no logical basis for comparison.

How old are you? I am thinking about 14 right now...

Since the maturity level in this topic is well below my threshold, my comments are done here.
edit on 22-12-2012 by TheCanuckian because: (no reason given)


And your off topic Red Herring attacks are what

edit on 22-12-2012 by kingsquirel because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
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"what's wrong with this"

Nothing at all, in YOUR country. My country has a constitution that says I have the right to arms, and it also says it shall not be infringed ( even though it already has in many many ways)

But you just said it didn't specify which arms. So does it include tanks? guided missiles? What exactly?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by TheCanuckian

Ok keep your guns. As long as your ok with a random number of children dying due to them lets you sleep ok at night, go for it. It's your Country. When it folds in on itself because of the ignorance displayed don't go crying to other countries, mkay?



Sure I have no problem with this at all, as long as we get all the Money we spent on WWII and all the loans we have made in the past 65 years to all the rest of the world
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Tanks are armament not arms so tanks are out, missiles are missiles, again not arms


Arms: 1. A weapon, especially a firearm



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
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Tanks are armament not arms so tanks are out, missiles are missiles, again not arms

Arms: 1. A weapon, especially a firearm

So tanks aren't weapons? Missiles aren't weapons? It seems you're picking and choosing based on personal preference more than anything else. Banning fully automatic weapons appears to be constitutional, so why would other restrictions not be acceptable?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Weapons are different then arms, a kitchen knife is a weapon, but it is not an "arm"..

You did know there are online dictionaries that can give free definitions correct?

The world repository of knowledge is at your fingertips.

All you have to do is use it.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by TheCanuckian

You realize these militias were made back in the day to use Guerrilla warfare against all their enemies, which by today's standards is considered "terrorism"?

So you support guns and militias, that means you support domestic terrorism. I'd be careful if I were you. The USA is not far from making that connection and it won't be long till your disarmed for the protection and security of all US Citizens adults and children a like.


When you say "the USA" just who is it you mean? Our Government will limit sales of ARs and mags over 10 rounds for the next 10 or so years, there will not be a gun round up anytime soon.



Do you not realize your government is on the same path Hitler was on? Wake up already!


Well maybe you should be agreeing we should keep are guns...




Also why do you protect something that takes human life when your supposed civilization is more advanced then anyone else and your ways are better then everyone else? If it's so damned good why are you guys having the most problems world wide?
The USA is the major issue in this world today and their examples to the world are laughable.


When you say "the world" you mean Europe right? What problems are we having, can you expand on that? Is it our unemployment that is less than 1/2 of Europe's? The funny part is what WE American's see as a problem is well below the world's standard of the same problem.

You can suggest that Americans are generally more aggressive than Europeans, and my answer is so what? Who cares, that is how we are. Europeans always compare their own country to us when half the time their own country is the size and population of a state or two here.

Is our problem guns when guns are only used in 7% of the 6 million violent crimes committed in America every year, and though that number seems large I bet you that YOU personally have seen more violent crimes than I have.

I live an extremely wonderful life, better than 90% of Europeans do on the limited land/space/income while adding the massive expenses there. I have lived in France, Germany, England, Korea, Japan and spent time in 80 other countries across all 7 continents. Though I like many countries there is only one I would even consider really living in.

America does have its bad areas, but it is also extremely large and vastly different across it that allows a person to live anyway they would like to..that there my friend is freedom...and I live exactly as I wish to do...I'm happy and what I post here is part of a debate on the "what if" and not reality as we speak.



By the way, the only time a Militia is honored and rewarded is if they end up ousting the government and seating their own leader into that government. Otherwise they are labelled enemies of the state and terrorists.

So you can arm yourself for your Militia all you want, don't publicize it or you will have the ATF on your butt. Guaranteed.


That is true...the victors do write the history books.

I don't see the need anytime soon to go all "militia", but I do see a time where electrical grids or something just as big and unforeseeable makes my ARs a very nice thing to have, and if that never happens I'm still hunting pig/deer/elk and doing a lot of fun sport shooting in the mean time.



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