I was doing some research for a thread I was going to make on the Olmecs.
I ran across a few things I found rather interesting and decided to change the thread up some.
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did researching and writing it.
I will start by saying that I was looking at some of the links put forth by Gene D. Matlock.
I do not agree with all he is saying but one thing got my attention and got me looking in a different direction than I wanted to go.
: Mr. Subash Bose displays an ancient Tamil Pachesi board kept as a relic in the temple of his area. The Tamils and all the tribes of
Meso-America, from Mexico to Panama, played the same board game: Pachesi.
: The Meso-Americans called it by a linguistically similar name: Patolli. (Note: CH and T are linguistically similar. LL was the only way the
Renaissance Spaniards could approximate the sounds of Z and J. This proves that Patolli derived from Pachesi.) I myself saw a Patolli board game at
the National Museum of Costa Rica, in San Jose.
Patolli game board of Mesoamerica.
Pachesi game board of India.
There was a problem with Pachesi though. I could not date it back further than the 16th century. I guess he may have used it for an example because
of the similarities in the names. Yet what I found by digging a little deeper really surprised me.
Although Pachesi (Pachisi) may not have been dated to the same time as patolli. There were other games in India and other locations that were VERY
similar around the same time frame.
There is an older game in India, dated from around the 4th century called Chaupar. Pachisi may have been created around the same time according to
some sources but I can not verify it.
This depicts the Hindu deities Shiva and Parvati playing chaupar.
There are many of these games that originated in India. The original may have been a game called an Ashtapada (an 8x8 uncheckered board).
One such game was chaturanga.
Interestingly the Sanskrit caturaṅga is a bahuvrihi compound, meaning "having four limbs or parts" Such as the other games mentioned above.
Chaturanga is the ancestor of our modern day chess. The next picture is of the chaturanga board.
So where did chaturanga come from?
It is believed that the game was developed from an ancient Chinese game called Liubo.
Liubo can be dated back to the middle of the 1st millennium BCE, and was immensely popular during the Han Dynasty (202 BCE – 220 CE).
A pair of Eastern Han Dynasty (25–220 CE) ceramic tomb figurines of two gentlemen playing liubo.
The pattern found on the surface of Liubo boards is also found on the most common type of Han Dynasty bronze mirror, known from their distinctive
markings as TLV mirrors. There is some debate over whether the Liubo pattern on these mirrors was simply decorative, or whether it had a ritual
significance, or whether perhaps the mirrors doubled as portable Liubo game boards. Zhou Zheng has pointed out that one TLV mirror dating to the reign
of Wang Mang (9–23) has an inscription that includes the words "Carved with a Liubo board pattern to dispel misfortune"
(刻具博局去[祛]不羊[祥]), which suggests that the main purpose of the Liubo pattern on mirrors was ritual, and that the pattern had a special
significance beyond game-playing.-
Remind you of anything??
It has been claimed that the Olmecs may have had Chinese ancestry. I find an uncanny resemblance in the Liubo mirror, the Olmec calendar and the
I know that the dates do not add up but I found this interesting especially the resemblance between the Patolli game board of Meso-America and the
Indian Chaupar game board.
Can I get your opinion on this? All input is welcome. Perhaps we can learn more by working together.
Also a couple of more odd things I found while digging around.
It is kind of strange to me how in most of the Sumerian art work of their god(s) one of their legs is almost always exposed from the knee cap down. As
illustrated in the following pictures.
Notice anything strange? Look at the exposed knee. If you look close you will see a face where the cap should be. The hem on the rob/skirt looks
almost like a head dress. It almost resembles these Olmec statues.
There was also this on language similarities. I can not say how accurate is though, as my research took me in a different direction.
And this from the same site:
BOTH THE MEXICAN INDIANS & TAMILS ATE TAMALES WITH THE SAME NAME!
The Tamils and Turks even gave some of their favorite dishes to the ancient Mexicans, and with the same names! I will name just two of them: Tamales
and Corundas. The ancient Tamils were known as Tamils or Tamals. One of their favorite foods was a type of paste or filling wrapped in bamboo husk.
Even in Tamil Nadu it is called Tamal. The Michoacanos have a similar triangular shaped tamal called Corunda. In Turkic it would be kur-unda (Turkic
We could also go on to talk about the depiction of Elephants in the Mayan culture but perhaps we can address that later in the thread.
Thank you once again for taking the time to read this. I find all Ancient Civilizations VERY interesting and as I said feel free to comment.
edit on 22-12-2012 by Quadrivium because: fixed pictures