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Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne
What came first reality or the simulation?
A simulation is always a model of reality, not the other way around.
Why didn't the people in the past have simulations? Why do we have them now?
Because if this was a simulation, we would also have to agree that computers and simulations have been around since the beginning of time, since we exist in one. Yet they don't come to fruition in our time until man invents computers and simulations? How can computers exist for all time but not exist in our reality until just recently?
If this was true, in our reality, our simulations are just simulations of a simulation, how can one fathom such an idea possible?
How could the programmers program an entire history of each and every individual? By devising seven billion plus fake pasts? Experience cannot be coded into some algorithm.
What is this simulation a simulation of? Reality? Did someone record the entire existence of mankind from every single viewpoint of every single human perspective and code it into some twisted game?
This is all ridiculous and nothing indicates this to be true. The physicist found something in an equation, which only proves something about the equation. And then we divide it into physical and historical implications which we know aren't true. The Matrix really messed with the minds of an entire generation.
Originally posted by Shirak
Ah I see the ATS tradition to be the first to put a smart ass comment on a thread is still running true. You first few would not have had a chance to even review the information looking at the time stamp on your comment. Seriously if you can't contribute to a thread constructively don't derail it for others who may have an interest.
The geometry represented in the equations is evident in nature and can be seen playing out in various genetic and geological formations. This research is fascinating and relevant due to the reality of 3d printers and tech coming on the market. Utilizing the mathematics present in the universe recurring as code will in my opinion help us turn these 3d printers into replicator devices. Taking advantage on a molecular scale of the natural geometry of formation in nature.
I responded to this question asked by another in one of the couple of posts above ^.
Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by NJoyZ
Lets for argument sake say we are in a computer simulation the some questions arise.
1. Who or what is running it?
This may be covered in one of the videos posted, but if not, it is possible that it is to do things like:
2. What is the purpose of it?
This also brings the questions:
3. How abruptly can it be ended?
Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
Even if it is a simulation, how is this going to change your life. We still need and have to do everything we need and have to do. Changes nothing. Just add's a whole new level of meaningless to life. Don't worry i just shot you, it's only a simulation ! As a simulation it still seems pretty real to me.
Hack my damn bank account and add some funds.
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
I find all of this fascinating... but ridiculous. I wonder how easy it is, morally speaking, for a deranged and mentally ill person to buy into this "theory". This is why people kill kindergartners and shoot up theaters, because if we live in a computer simulation there are no consequences for one's soul, and if it isn't "real" then who cares what people do.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Do you know what kind of anxiety this would throw on science loving people? The world of science saying your trapped in a computer simulation? It would be like saying a religion is real and there is something more but we dot know what.
Originally posted by daaskapital
Yes, code found in nature...is very interesting. Did you know that the universe and the materials within actually have pixels also? A high ranking NASA scientist has jumped on board the "simulation" theory. I actually think the whole theory holds a lot of water. It has been going on for some time, yet cannot be disproved. Evidence actually leans in favour of this theory.
It’s an idea that every college student with a gravity bong and The Matrix on DVD has thought of before, but Rich is a well-regarded scientist, the director of the Center for Evolutionary Computation and Automated Design at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and is currently writing an as-yet-untitled book about the subject, so we’re going to go ahead and take him seriously.
He gets interviewed and goes on to say:
The other interesting thing is that the natural world behaves exactly the same way as the environment of Grand Theft Auto IV. In the game, you can explore Liberty City seamlessly in phenomenal detail. I made a calculation of how big that city is, and it turns out it’s a million times larger than my PlayStation 3. You see exactly what you need to see of Liberty City when you need to see it, abbreviating the entire game universe into the console. The universe behaves in the exact same way. In quantum mechanics, particles do not have a definite state unless they’re being observed. Many theorists have spent a lot of time trying to figure out how you explain this. One explanation is that we’re living within a simulation, seeing what we need to see when we need to see it.
Our world does seem to act like a video game...
Q: Which would explain why there have been reports of scientists observing pixels in the tiniest of microscopic images.
A: Right. The universe is also pixelated—in time, space, volume, and energy. There exists a fundamental unit that you cannot break down into anything smaller, which means the universe is made of a finite number of these units. This also means there are a finite number of things the universe can be; it’s not infinite, so it’s computable. And if it only behaves in a finite way when it’s being observed, then the question is: Is it being computed? Then there’s a mathematical parallel. If two things are mathematically equivalent, they’re the same. So the universe is mathematically equivalent to the simulation of the universe.