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Originally posted by rational1
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
People do that sort of thing for different reasons. With Columbine, you had kids that were social outcasts, who had probably been bullied for years. The school massacre in Russia was terrorists. Sometimes, people simply snap, and can't take whatever stresses they live under, and they go do something like that. That doesn't mean they were mentally ill. That means they made a bad decision. Some, sure, will be mentally ill, but that's not the big issue here. The ball player that shot his girlfriend wasn't mentally ill; he was upset because of a paternity issue. These days, the medical establishment wants to label anything and everything as some sort of mental disorder, so that they can prescribe a pill for it. If you ask Big Pharma, half the country is "mentally ill" in one fashion or another. No sensible person believes that, though.
Now, we have two (yes, two) stories of someone committing a crime, and the blame placed on Asperger's. This school shooting, and the guy that killed his father and himself, are both blamed on Asperger's now. So, how about a moment of logic? Asperger's is a mild form of autism. Autistic people do not like loud noises and chaos. Yet, we are supposed to believe an Asperger's guy shot up a school? Seems highly unlikely to me, as that isn't a violent disorder (and that's according to the professionals).
No, the goal there is to start forcing everyone to undergo a mental health evaluation, so that they can further control the masses. Now ask yourself this; if those opposing the president have already been labeled as "potential terrorists", do you think they would hesitate to also label all those people as "mentally ill"?
Think about it.
If someone makes the decision to kill innocent people I call them mentally ill. This label doesn't mean that they have to have some sort of diagnosed medical disorder - it means that they are not in normal mental condition. The bullied kids from Columbine were certainly not mentally sane, and someone who snaps from stress is not either. This is the problem.
Aspergers probably didn't cause the shooter to do what he did, yes, but this doesn't preclude his having other mental issues that put him in the mindset to become a killer. You're using a strawman there: I heard on NPR a sane discussion about the killings where they even went out of their way to say that the autism probably would not have been a factor. Not everyone is blaming it on that.
If everyone underwent a confidential "mental health evaluation" that you mention and had the option of receiving treatment I would be perfectly happy because that could easily prevent a wide range of incidents. Not just shootings, but also domestic violence, etc. And by the way, treatment does not have to mean drugs. Just having someone to talk to about your problems can be very helpful.
Originally posted by Fireman205253
reply to post by TKDRL
True. but I do keep my bow handy. I have little kids i don't want them to figure the gun thing out yet. But the bow could be quite effective, plus the wife will have time to get the guns if needed. Trust me you don't want to be around her with a gun. lol Atleast with the bow the kids can't use it cause they aren't strong enough. Plus it's hard to get to my house without being seen my closest neighbor is 4 miles away and I live the woods. I guess I would take mu chances with my bow, so my kids couldn't have an accident with my guns.
Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by Camperguy
I have tought soccer for 13 yrs or so and it really gives you a outlook on there family life. It amazes me the disconnect, drama, issues, etc. of parents now a days. Over the years it had become worse. I am pretty sure this has an affect in these sort of events as well.
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Originally posted by vonclod
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Fireman205253
That seems totally impractical to me..... How are you going to open up two safes, then load up in a decent ammount of time, and take the trigger lock off? If I thought like you, my lifestock would be ripped to pieces before I even had a chance to open up the safes.edit on Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:35:12 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)
about 500 children die EVERY year by a gun found in the home and in most cases legaly owned but obviously carelessly stored
In homes where the gun owner did not teach their kids about gun safely, that can happen. Same as those kids can be hurt in other ways, because the parents didn't think to teach them to be safe. Reminds me of a little girl (6-7 years old) that lived a block over from my parents. She would, as a game, run out in the street in front of cars. Her parents were NEVER there when she did that. If they'd had a gun, she would have shot herself or someone else. My kids know about guns, and about gun safety. No mystery, so no attraction. The holes in the target, from the range, were a good selling point for guns not being toys, too. Kids can learn, and most gun owners with kids don't have them killed with their own guns. In Switzerland, every household is armed; the kids grow up knowing about guns, and they don't have kids killing other kids with them, either. Yes, factual - verified by a man from Switzerland I used to work with.
If my gun was locked up, and someone came in the window, I would not have time to unlock it, get the ammo, and load it to shoot before the guy took me out. Might as well keep a water pistol by the bed.
Originally posted by PrincessTofu
There obviously is a sort of limbo because the economy is so bad that many people are forced to join the military for gainful employment and the promise of higher education.. they join the military just out of high school or while still living with parents.. and after the trauma they have seen, they come home and are out of touch with the materialistic, shallow society.
You can't deny that there is a huge gap there. A huge problem. And of course, they joined because there are no jobs and there are still no jobs when they come back home.
Should we immediately arm them and put them in schools? Maybe no. I'm sure 99% are the most wonderful people you have ever met but it's still a little scary. Maybe we should make some civvy adjustment courses and train them? I'd vote for that.