NRA wants armed guards in schools

reply to post by SweetChild


reply to post by watchitburn


Okay, OP, this is a great topic....
I'm going to shamelessly bump my thread here dealing with a Texas School District that has already done this.
Texas school where teachers carry guns prepared to protect student

reply to post by hoochymama


Life is THE most precious....

I do have kids, and was pointing out that there are kids in all these places, the beach, Wal-mart, daycare, the pool. I understand there are guards for banks and VIP's etc., but these things don't guarantee protection, just ask Ronald Reagan.

The image of having armed guards everywhere there are children is just scary to me. Scarier than a lone crazed gunman.

Having guns everywhere is the easy thing to do. It requires no thought (no insult intended, you obviously have deep and careful thoughts on the subject, as most parents do). But the solution to these issues do not come with a simple 'arm everyone' dictate from the head of the NRA. As you alluded to in your post, they probably have their own agenda.

If we guard the children in school, do we guard them when they aren't in school? When they are at the park? the beach?

Who decides? Where does it end?

The answer is not at end of a barrel of a loaded gun. This much I know.

Peace.

reply to post by muse7


So a tax on gun owners to pay for it? Why not a tax on the families of the criminals? Don't punish law abiding gun owners. When the government wastes so much of our tax dollars each year anyway By the way did you read the NRA statement. They are talking volunteers. Police, military, and rescue personal, active and retired.

reply to post by ErEhWoN


But it doesnt mean who ever the guard is, has to have the weapon in plain sight. They can look like a teacher or janitor, if thats what your worried about.

reply to post by watchitburn


I think they have a point. I mean what is the message being delivered when we have armed guards in banks but not schools? To me that says that our society values money more than life.

I mean, in this society it is acceptable to have a life threatening gun guarding money but not guarding children. When I think about it that way it really does seem pretty messed up that armed guards in schools aren't mandatory.

A serious question to those against armed guards in schools... do you have any problem bringing your kid into a bank with an armed guard? If not, what is the difference? I know personally, I would feel much safer knowing my childs school was protected by a trained armed guard or two.

First of all, everyone needs to take a breath here. We're all on the same side, we all want to be safe.

Calling people 'hippies', 'communists', 'socialists', 'brainwashed liberal ______s', 'gun huggers', 'morons', 'idiots', 'non-thinking sheep' and everything else I've seen regarding this subject is counter-productive and kind of makes me sick.

Some may see the NRA's gesture as throwing gas on a fire to try to put it out. Others see it as the only reasonable answer.

Personally, I don't see it as the answer because where there is power, there is the likelihood of abused power.

We won't get into it but we can all remember a recent neighborhood watch incident in which a boy was shot and killed. Also, soldiers go crazy and shoot each other up (Forth Worth?) Also, even the police sometimes go a bit nuts and abuse their power (recent rape case and recent videos of police beating unarmed protesters).

Why not a police presence at schools, though? Maybe not the post-traumatic stress war veterans that some are suggesting.

We have to find a common ground. We ALL agree that there is a problem. We all agree that too many crazy maniacs have access to guns. We all agree that we don't want to see it get worse.

We're all on the same side. Fewer guns in the hands of crazies. More safety for our families. We all want the same thing.

We can get there, people. Just be willing to compromise.

I'm so tired of people saying the right to bear arms is an absolute and should never be modified. Take a look at free speech.. it's been modified many times. Defamation, libel, perjury, copyright laws.. all modifications to a constitutional right that have made our lives better. Don't be afraid of compromise.

Please stop fighting with each other. Please stop calling each other names. We're not enemies.

Originally posted by rational1
Plus, all the killer really has to do is shoot the policeman first.

That's a BOOM HEADSHOT of an argument.Thanks for making that point. Too bad there are way too few sane people to see that.

When will eyes become open and minds stop being so closed !!!

Anyone with some high school chemistry classes and a little wherewithal could theoretically walk into any big-box store(ie:w-mart,h-depot, etc) whip up a few chemical combinations and kill everyone in the store with very little problems and they wouldn't need to bring anything into the store but themselves because all the supply's they would need to make a very simple toxic chemical reaction are readily available right in the store !

So that being said after the gun laws pass and all the dangerous guns are gone and ppl continue to kill using other improvised methods will people cry to ban mt-dew,screw drivers, granulated pool chlorine,and whatever else might be used to commit mass murder?

People have been dreaming up ways to kill since the dawn of time should we ban all the rocks in this world that weigh enough to kill some one should we ban all vehicles over a certain size that could be used as a mass instrument of death?


I do not claim to have a solution to this problem although it has become obvious that the present solution is not working and i believe i have made my point.

Do we continue to allow people to project there fears, anxiety's,hangups,injustices, indignity's,and whatever else other baggage they are hauling around onto us as a society maybe there should be some law against that!!!

reply to post by ErEhWoN
Understood. I dont think the NRA has the solution just like the Congress, Senate, or White House.

Thats the point. In Chicago alone (earlier post) there were many more deaths with over 2000 rounds shot this year alone. Wheres the outcry?? Social Media and the Media is playen all of this for profits. We have lost our way as a Country.

reply to post by PrincessTofu


The rights in the 2nd have also been modified. You can own certain guns, and you have to apply for a FFL, that wasn't in the Consititution.

reply to post by GermanShep

Isreal had a problem with guy's shooting up their schools in the 70's.... The teachers were then required to be armed... guess what.. Not one since.. What gunman is gonna wanna go shoot up a place with a risk of him being shot or stopped? Do these people target police stations or gunshows? No? Why not? DUH? I think all brain dead folk should be banned and ignored for trying to take MY rights away. No T&C just ban the sheep.

Australia had a 'problem' with a massacre in Tasmania in 1996....The Gov't then enacted very strict gun laws....guess what.....Not one since.

Two sides to every coin.

reply to post by PrincessTofu
This is the key. We need to come together to solve these issues without prejudice. Congress/Senate/White House will not do this for you.

Educate your kids, Educate your Neighbors, Educate your Co Workers, its a process just like the process that has gotten us here in the first place.

1st step: Parents, dont put ur kids on drugs because your Kid is ADHD. Anyone can create a problem and create a drug to cure it.

They had an outbreak of massacres? Or one random massacre in 1996?

reply to post by hoochymama


Plus aren't we all a little ADHD? LOL

reply to post by Fireman205253

those coutries arent included in stats for western industrialized nations..they are corrupt/lawless/dictatorships or any combination..etc,..not that our coutries arent..lol, im sure the gdp of a country put it into whatever category is applicable.
im just trying to understand why canada had 144 murders by gun and the u.s. had over 9,000..if all things were equal than canada having 10% of the u.s. population than you would think we should be at 10% your murder rate..but we are far far lower than that..why?..our people are pretty much the same and same lifestyles..i suggest we have "some" gun control and it plays a huge part, and its not that hard to get a gun here , you have to take a saftey course and send your info to the popo and in a few weeks you have a licence..you need a 2nd certification for handguns and semi auto center fires..not a big deal but weeds out alot of riff raff that shouldnt own..im trying to find a stat for gun ownership in canada, best i can figure is 7-11 million..im no gun hater i grew up shooting..and respecting guns, i think so many guns in the states there isnt enough respect. but alas the 2nd amendment is something that america isnt willing to compramise so ..i dunno i guess you get to live like you do..in fear and thats a terrible thing..what happened?

I only read a couple pages before posting. You people that are against protecting the children are idiots. I went to schools where we had armed guards and nothing happened. The common sense thing to do is have a police officer at every school but the anti-gun crowd would rather something like SH happen again. You people are ignoramuses. Grow up the world isn’t safe and it never was your ideals will not stop crazy people but a bullet can.

If the anti-gun crowd gets there way we will wind up like Mexico where criminals own the streets and are virtually unopposed.

reply to post by Fireman205253
Exactly!!! ADHD all around.

Originally posted by Fireman205253
reply to post by PrincessTofu

 

The rights in the 2nd have also been modified. You can own certain guns, and you have to apply for a FFL, that wasn't in the Consititution.

Exactly. There have been many modifications to many amendments as society changed and needed them.


The amendments themselves, by definition, are changes to the constitution.

reply to post by Fireman205253


What I'm worried about is having armed guards everywhere. A defacto dystopian state straight out of some nightmare Twilight Zone episode.

Don't care what they look like. They could have pink My little pony shaped guns and easter bunny uniforms.

Why stop with protecting children in schools? Why not protect them in the playgrounds? at the mall? in the theater? at the beach? at the pool? at the zoo? at Wal-Mart? at the candy store? in the school bus on the way to school?

WHERE DOES IT END?? WHO DECIDES?

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS?

Do you become upset when they want to protect children and post an armed guard in your home for their protection?

WE CAN DO BETTER!!

reply to post by Grimpachi
There are some times pointed out in this thread where even a guard was overpowered with gun fire and the killing still happened.

I think there is more of an issue where these killers are on some prescribed drugs which I think is the real issue.