I thougth the USA was 100% against NAZI seems not the case

I think this is so hypocritical of Russia.

I've seen a whole range of documentaries and clips recently which claim that over half of the world's neo-Nazis are in Russia.
en.wikipedia.org...

I've also heard of gay marches banned and attacked, and minority religions like ISKCON harassed.

I recall one guy said on a documentary that 40 percent of people in Moscow support the far right.
Arrests and convictions for violent attacks on foreigners are apparently not common, with possible high levels of police and court sympathy and collusion.

Is this some kind of joke by Russia?
Perhaps the old socialist habit of saying one thing while doing another has persisted?

Well at least gay people can march in the US, and one dominant church doesn't oppress other faiths.

I sometimes also get a bit concerned about the term "Nazi".
Some claim it, but I've also seen people attacked and called "Nazis" simply because they were peacefully protesting against the murder of mainly white farmers in South Africa.

Originally posted by abeverage
reply to post by Karmayogi11

 

What do you know about project "Paperclip"?

This pretty much says it all...

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The Russians had their own project paperclip. Do you think they just happened to make advances with rocket technology when the Americans did?

The wording of the document could expose any artist or historian whom portrays Nazi Germany.

Nazis are dumb.

They got played out by the rest of Europe, British elite, sold out American and a strange mixing pot of the Vatican and Zionist psycho-bullcrap. They went along with this asinine idea to contain the Jews in the hopes of eventually getting them off their hands... as in them being taken elsewhere. That didn't happen for reason I don't fully understand (but am learning among many other things) but I don't think they originally intended it to be this way. They were previously taking "acceptable" care (for a prisoner) and then it's like their efforts got realigned into full scale war. Hitler was mad, literally mad. I can see how he would be pissed and lose it after numerous betrayal but he didn't seem to handle it well. Many Nazi seemed to be very narrow minded about Jews and don't see how they and everyone else has been set up for this.

At the end of the day.... they still go all racist.... and that's really what a lot of the comments in here are about, fueling the racist fire. It's a Zionist thing.

No, just because Israeli leaders and other Zionists get talked about on ATS doesn't mean there's a Nazi rash that you can just generally keep scratching at. Hell yeah there are Nazis because there are stupid people and stupid people are everywhere but unless you go into specifics, you're basically just slinging mud on America in general.... which is fine but you should call it what it is.

This is about the US not helping Israel. We got a bunch of neo-Nazi propaganda rashes in the 90s. Don't go slinging Nazi crap because those people made too many mistakes. Who would want to be like the Nazis? Some played the race card and Nazis fell for it and punked themselves out.

Racism is stupid... let's move forward.

LYING about your race... well, that's a much more interesting racial issue... and one that we can actually look very closely at these days, but hell we can go beyond race and stop playing these big, stupid broad cards trying to steer this game. We can get specific, down to very specific details of people and investigate all sorts of things to find answers that will prevent future holocaust.

Let's not waste time with such non-specifics when there are so many better ways to feel like you actually know something.

If we have some Nazis in our midst, let's identify who they are instead of just attempting to cast impressions.

reply to post by ararisq

Did the resolution say something like:

a) We hereby denounce Nazism
b) We hereby claim control over the Internet and all of its content.
c) We hereby ban guns in all member states.


?? That is usually how politics is played.

Its hard to see thru the veil of illusion of word politics. But to point where the agenda goes is food for thoughts in any case.

reply to post by Solasis

The US seems to be opposed to anything the UN could ever do. Congress refused to ratify that Disability resolution which did not commit anyone to any action because they feared giving the UN too much power. This has nothing to do with Nazis; it's all about good old fashioned terror of One World Government.

(I think a One World Government would be great, depending on whether the people in charge were trustworthy. They probably wouldn't be.)

Could be but as I heard before almost all government with exception of some rougue country's are under the rule of the same elite. So this is not America as Worldpower operating at all.

reply to post by racer451

I think a whole boatload of people have missed seeing the connection between what Germany did in the '30s leading up to WW2 and then operation paper clip and the strong surge of capitalism in USA ...where did the advertising psychology come from? where did the hard psychology come from? The Space Program ie: The Rocket ?
The birth of the Israel Nation? Nobody wants to talk about the NAZI's being the Elite Jews. The Clean Jews.

The clean Jews? Sounds crazy to me. I always thought they saw themselves as descendant from Atlantis or so.

reply to post by DJW001

Sadly, it is. Fortunately local zoning laws would probably keep such a theme park from ever being built. Incidentally, I am not the one who wants to pass laws prohibiting free speech. That was the sort of thing Hitler did. Surely you see the irony.

Ironic indeed.

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Thanks for the link. And this is how all the crap jumps out so suddenly. Prescott was also Skull and Bones right?

reply to post by Maxmars

Nazis exist in this country... AND yours too... I would bet they even exist in Israel (how's that for an assertion?)

I was pointing at what the statuesque of the Nations political view is and not the personal view from the millions of citizen Sir.

reply to post by Karmayogi11


In Germany NAZI was an acronym made up of the words National Socialist and Zionist. Today in America it stands for North American Zionist. Same NAZI's run by the same people, just a different day, place and time.

See this thread ( there are many others) www.abovetopsecret.com... She survived Hitler and wants to warn America

Don't be fooled people. We are under hostile control from a foreign invader. They just learned to change the tactics they use.

Karmayogi11 " The Clean Jews"

is a reference to the Zionists Jews who were pulling the strings. They not Hitler wanted the Jews killed and it is they not Hitler who killed the Jews. They wanted the non Zionist Jews killed because they were a threat to the Zionists getting and keeping control and power.

Originally posted by Malcher

Originally posted by Cosmic911
We'd have no space program without high-ranking and good Nazi's...no ICBM's either probably.

I would like that substantiated...but why bother?

Thankfully a few old Nazis were around otherwise we'd have no cell phones, no electric cars, no 500GB solid state hard drives, no laptops the size of an actual notebook, the kind people wrote in with sticks of charcoal. *sarcasm*

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So what. It doesn't change anything. Doesn't change that they killed over 6 million jews. There's no doubt we benefited from Nazi and German engineering and technology. But it doesn't justify the cost. Seems apparent you believe the ends justify the means.

I thought this was a banned topic here ?
We have a Mod replying , I think the T&Cs need to be made black & White so us peons know what we can post .

Originally posted by pillock
I thought this was a banned topic here ?
We have a Mod replying , I think the T&Cs need to be made black & White so us peons know what we can post .

Why would this be a banned topic? It's not as long as it doesn't break the T&C - which the topic of Nazi's is not against.

Yes the US had paper clip
The Brits and Russians had their own 'capture' projects

But what's worth pondering is the western allies retook Western Europe, Southern Europe and the north pushing east to Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Norway ect ect. Where as the soviets took back the vast majority of the east all the way west to Berlin ( admitadly the Brits and US conducted operations in the east)

Now just cast your mind over all the historical data, stories and discoveries you have seen over the years ..........where did nazi germany house the majority of it research and developmant facilities ..........in the east, Austria, Poland ect ect

So where as the US and Brits ( mostly the US ) captured many scientists and specialists one can't help but think that Russia probably got a lot more than them ........and a lot more than we are aware of.

Paper clip is well documented ........the ruskies on the other hand play things a lot more quietly .........I mean come on how many of you can name the Russian capture program ?
I can't remember and after a quick net search couldn't find it either ( a very quick search )

But we know it existed ...........but what do we know about it ?

Verner con Braun ended up as a celebrated head of the US's space agency, how the soviets treated and employed their captives was probably VERY different

Originally posted by Neocrusader
Yes the US had paper clip
The Brits and Russians had their own 'capture' projects

But what's worth pondering is the western allies retook Western Europe, Southern Europe and the north pushing east to Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Norway ect ect. Where as the soviets took back the vast majority of the east all the way west to Berlin ( admitadly the Brits and US conducted operations in the east)

Now just cast your mind over all the historical data, stories and discoveries you have seen over the years ..........where did nazi germany house the majority of it research and developmant facilities ..........in the east, Austria, Poland ect ect

So where as the US and Brits ( mostly the US ) captured many scientists and specialists one can't help but think that Russia probably got a lot more than them ........and a lot more than we are aware of.

Paper clip is well documented ........the ruskies on the other hand play things a lot more quietly .........I mean come on how many of you can name the Russian capture program ?
I can't remember and after a quick net search couldn't find it either ( a very quick search )

But we know it existed ...........but what do we know about it ?

Verner con Braun ended up as a celebrated head of the US's space agency, how the soviets treated and employed their captives was probably VERY different

Actually Soviets treated most German scientists pretty well, Braun's assistant - Helmut Gröttrup,for example ,was able to even return to West Germany after working on Soviet space projects for years (though only afterafter Stalin's death).
Soviet analog for Paper Clip was called Operation Osoaviakhim. Also well documented. Just does not fit current trend of anti-American hype this is why it is not noticed.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
In Germany NAZI was an acronym made up of the words National Socialist and Zionist.

Where did you get that garbage from?

The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party, was a political party in Germany between 1920 and 1945. Its predecessor, the German Workers' Party (DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920. The term Nazi is German and stems from Nationalsozialist,[6] due to the pronunciation of Latin -tion- as -tsion- in German (rather than -shon- as it is in English), with German Z being pronounced as 'ts'.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Mucho gracias

Now I can go and brush up a bit

But agreed it doesn't fit in with anti American sentiment lol
But on the flip side of that coin, Americans just LOVE spouting off about how they are 30/40/50 years ahead technologicy due to things like paper clip ( usually by those that know no better )
So it also serves to massage American egos

reply to post by hellobruce


Thats the popular story. I got my info from interviews of Germans who lived through the Nazi occupation at the time. Vids on youtube someplace.

It makes perfect sense if you study how Hitler fought the Zionists bankers before the war and then look at the Zionist influence in the Nazi operations.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
if you study how Hitler fought the Zionists bankers before the war

Because he hated jews....

and then look at the Zionist influence in the Nazi operations

and you will find there was none!

That's ridiculous, as an American I can tell you that almost never goes by a day without me hearing someone saying "but what about all the good stuff Hitler did"?

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
if you study how Hitler fought the Zionists bankers before the war

Because he hated jews....

and then look at the Zionist influence in the Nazi operations

and you will find there was none!

Obviously you are very uneducated on this history. Jews in general in Germany pre WWII enjoyed wealth and social climate unequaled in any other country at the time. Germans loved them, and they loved Germans. Hitler did not have any problems with the non Zionist Jews, he only has problems with Zionists because they were the bankers who ran Germany's financial system into the ground. He speaks much about these Zionists in his speeches. Hitler was able to revive the economy from the Zionist plunder in a few short years making the country prosperous again. It was a from bankruptcy to riches situation. Hitler was a National Hero and no one to this day can match his boldness and intelligence in dealing with Zionist bankers. (they are ruining America ya know)

It wasn't until a few years later when the Nazi system was created ( not solely by Hitler and not solely under control by Hitler) did things start to take a bad turn for Non Zionist Jews. This was at the behest of the Zionist pulling the strings and confusing the issue.. making everyone believe these non Zionist Jews were the same Jews who caused all the trouble.. it was a form of brainwashing. Hitler and most of the Natzi's were duped. Non Zionists Jews living at the time, as well as Germans who lived through this speak about it all the time. They saw this deception happening before their eyes.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Obviously you are very uneducated on this history.

You are the one uneducated, also a apologist for Hitler....

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Obviously you are very uneducated on this history.

You are the one uneducated, also a apologist for Hitler....

Of course I am an apologist for Hitler. I do have the mental ability and reasoning skills to see and appreciate the good he did for the German people before the war. These are facts of history. Sticking your head in the sand will not make those facts go away. At least I gave you some history to check up on, all you can do is name calling. LOL

How many mass murderers are you an apologist for I wonder? Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan... People refuse to look at these things I mention because they are afraid to admit there may have been someone pulling Hitlers strings. Much better to vilify the guy and have things clear cut and dry than to bring the Zionist faction into the mix. I'm sure Hitler committed his share of horrible atrocities and did play a part in the killing of the Jews but his past history with Non Zionist Jews would not account for such actions alone. He had a good working relationship with these people at one time.He did not have the motive to murder Non Zionist Jews - the Zionists did have that motive.

BTW, are you Jewish perhaps? If so, whats your family background like.. sway to the Zionist side or the Non Zionist side?

reply to post by JohnPhoenix

Of course I am an apologist for Hitler. I do have the mental ability and reasoning skills to see and appreciate the good he did for the German people before the war. These are facts of history. Sticking your head in the sand will not make those facts go away. At least I gave you some history to check up on, all you can do is name calling. LOL

So I assume you have no trouble with people smashing the window of your shop and looting it, provided that it is done to benefit "the American people."