Everyone Is Worried About the 2nd; What About the 5th?, page 2


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reply posted on 21-12-2012 @ 09:55 PM by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74



Well stated.

The Constitution and Amendments were put in place to protect us from a tyrannical government.

Sadly, we see the selfsame government shredding these documents (or just using white-out) to change them.


“Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.”
-Martin Luther King Jr.


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 01:28 AM by Gattacanian
The best way I have seen this put is in ACLU Briefing Paper 9 "A History of the Bill of Rights."

In recent years, the Supreme Court has shown less willingness to bolster individual rights and has even cut back the scope of several previous decisions. Fourth Amendment protections against government searches have been badly eroded, and civil rights laws have been newly interpreted to reduce their strength. Nevertheless, the Court retains the responsibility to ensure that individual rights are protected.


For 130 years after ratification, the most notable thing about the Bill of Rights was its almost total lack of implementation. For example, the right to a free press was frequently breached. In 1798, passage of the Alien and Sedition Act forbade, among other things, publication of any "false, scandalous or malicious writing." In 1859, booksellers in southern states faced arrest for selling Hinton Helper's banned Impending Crisis of the South. And in 1863, the mailing of four New York City newspapers was prohibited because of alleged sedition.


In the early years of the 20th century, civil liberties were in a sorry state. Racial segregation was legal and pervaded all aspects of American society, with lynchings and other racist violence against African Americans occurring frequently. Sex discrimination was firmly institutionalized, denying women the right to vote and prompting their arrest for discussing birth control in public. Employers fired workers for advocating labor unions. The police conducted warrantless searches of criminal suspects and their homes with impunity. The government routinely deported aliens because of their political views.


www.aclufl.org...


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 08:15 AM by Kali74
reply to post by streetfightingman



I understand and to a large degree, agree with your sentiment... however joining the military is a free choice in the literal sense. Lack of other choices, if you want to get philosophical about it could be a covert means of enslavement. However, you can choose your enlistment time, 2 years, 4 years, longer... The danger of backdoor drafts like we saw under GW Bush has pretty much passed as well, considering enlistment is up so high that there is now a waiting list for all military branches.

Thought provoking post, thank-you.


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 08:23 AM by Kali74
reply to post by Robonakka



Your post really gave me pause on my 2nd Amendment position. The argument you have used is one that I myself use regarding voter ID laws. You are correct, no way around it no matter how I try to resolve it in my mind. However, no matter how correct you are, I can't resign my position that some gun control is necessary. I recognize that this puts me in a hypocritical position... I'm not sure what to do about it.

Thanks for your post though I'm now very frustrated and arguing with myself.


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 08:31 AM by Kali74
reply to post by Gattacanian



Thanks for the info there. I wish the Right would stop demonizing the ACLU as they have been the staunchest defenders of the Constitution since their inception. It is true as many posters have pointed out, the entire Constitution is under attack.


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 08:39 AM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by Robonakka


Your point is well taken (and the govt can start tightening the requirements to get "permission" also; ie, if you belong to a conspiracy site or have any family history of mental illness or served in a combat zone, etc) but absent some reasonable restrictions to protect society from the results if just anyone like Adam Lanza could walk into a gun store and purchase one without any background check. IF not then society (manipulated by the government influenced media) would clamor for a total repeal of the Second Amendment. That is the risk. We are a republic and hence some rights are considered inalienable but also a democracy and a majority could try to revamp those original rights.


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 08:46 AM by RedmoonMWC
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to
post by SpaDe_



we still have the power to fight it. Being passionate about only one is a distraction and flawed thinking, in my opinion.


We can all agree that there is an all out assault on the Constitution and the constitution as a whole should be protected.


This is a list of executive orders in force that outline Emergency Powers. Some of these were signed by prior US Presidents going back all the way to JFK. Obama specifically has signed executive orders starting with the number EO-13489 and forward. But these all reference powers Obama could use to limit your freedoms.

www.westernjournalism.com...

The major question is What can we actually do to reverse the damage that has already been done and prevent it from happening again.


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 09:03 AM by Kali74
reply to post by RedmoonMWC




The major question is What can we actually do to reverse the damage that has already been done and prevent it from happening again.


The foremost thing we can do to reverse the damage and to further prevent is to become more educated on law and politics. We have to be rational about it, not zealots and we need to be specific. The success of the lawsuit against Obama is due to being able to present a specific scenario ie, journalists in pursuit of a story coming into contact with terrorists, being disappeared by our military and a direct question to the Administrations lawyers as to whether it could or has happened... the defense lawyers could not answer.

The journalists involved didn't get into the fringe of cabals and puppets etc. They saw a clear attack on Americans and laser focused on exactly what the attack was.


reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 09:33 AM by RedmoonMWC
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to
post by Gattacanian



Thanks for the info there. I wish the Right would stop demonizing the ACLU as they have been the staunchest defenders of the Constitution since their inception. It is true as many posters have pointed out, the entire Constitution is under attack.


They have been the staunchest defenders of the Constitution, with the exception of the second amendment and religous freedom.

Unfortunately, we have never been able to reverse the ACLU's national position on the Second Amendment as a non-individual right.

www.saf.org...

“The Constitution should be the only permission slip students need to exercise their freedom of religion,” said ADF legal counsel Matt Sharp. “The ACLU’s ‘Religious Freedom Goes to School’ campaign paints a restrictive picture of the freedoms for students, teachers and school administrators that the First Amendment protects. School districts in South Carolina should be wary of taking advice about religious freedom from an organization that frequently seeks to give that freedom a backseat to their own social and political agenda.”

www.charismanews.com...



reply posted on 22-12-2012 @ 01:03 PM by Kali74
reply to post by rbnhd76



If there was any intention of 'winning' a war it would have been over in less than a year. Gotta keep those defense contractors rolling in the dough... 11 years later.
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