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So I just stood my ground against a mob of communist morons trying to forcibly close me down today.

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by nottelling
reply to post by zedVSzardoz
 


...discuss their ideology and mine (which is vaguely Anarcho-Libertarian but don't tell anyone) until the cows come home...


The term "Anarcho-Libertarian" is redundant. Libertarian traditionally referred to Anarchists (typically Socialists) and not free-market right wing industrialists.

If you're thinking of "Anarcho"-Capitalism, that is an oxymoron.

Please read:

www.infoshop.org...




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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actually I am dead center as far as my political beliefs. I am also a little progressive on some social issues. I hold conservative ideals / traditional ethos on others.

So, keep the insults to your fellow rabid morons on the other side of the isle. You deserve each other.

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:24 AM
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maybe, but I dont think this is the case. Most of these people have no idea what they want or believe. I will give you that they are fueled by mob mentality that can be anything.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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nice one

best of luck



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by GrandStrategy
 


No, he is not Spanish by birth. He was an American that moved to Spain. I am unsure if he changed nationalities. I know this because I remember the OP telling his story about life as a waiter, saving for a restaurant, and everyday things like that on a thread a few months back.

Are you a xenophobe or something? God forbid if foreigners come to Spain. God knows Spanish people have went to other parts of the world.....to put it mildly......seek their fortune. Why don't you give the man a break.




Congratulations on your success OP. Both in creating a business and holding of the mob of people. I wish you the best of luck in future encounters with them. I have a feeling you'll need it.


Yeah, exactly, so who is an american to move to a foreign country and start making complaints about what the people in that country believe and do?

If he doesn't like it he can move back to America very easily. If he doesn't like socialism and communism I suggest he moves back. If he doesn't like unions, he can move back. If he doesn't like European people, doesn't like Spanish people, and he so obviously doesn't, he can move back.

Who is this arrogant American to think he can waltz into another persons country and change it to suit himself? I can totally see why a group of protestors would think he is a rude, arrogant, moron and choose to purposely target him.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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nice one

best of luck



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:47 AM
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nice one

best of luck



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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it's too bad that the only place that the working people can get noticed is on the streets creating havoc, the wealthy don't care how much people are hurting until then.
the problem with lashing out is that they never go after the wealthy at their own residences, they mob up in the streets and hurt local people trying to make a living who also don't have any control.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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Well, good for you, standing up to protect your place. Question, though...../why, if the police were "escorting" them, or whatever, did they allow them to harass businesses in such a fashion? That is more than a little messed up! Glad, also, that they didn't become violent.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 07:23 AM
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yes I was talking to some of my neighbors and they were pretty pissed about that. I guess the cops were more concerned with if things got violent. There were instances of the protesters breaking some chairs for the terraces and the like crap. One place in particular was where the secretary general and lead lawyer (for an organization that represents us as well as tourism for our area abroad) were drinking their coffee (inferior coffee to mine) and the cops had to get out of the vans and break things up. There is no mention of that in the MSM here though.

I guess they didnt want to get caught on camera interfering with the protest. I dont know. Sucks that what they are doing is technically legal. I dont want to reform laws so they cant protest, I want them to simply respect people who are not marching with them.

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 07:26 AM
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No, or you can cut his head off with a machete and stick on a stick.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 07:27 AM
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the problem with lashing out is that they never go after the wealthy at their own residences,


so you are advocating violence in people´s homes. You see why we dont trust communism. OH THE BIG BAD RICH GUY....I dont like "rich" people either. I have ZERO problem with wealthy people. One is a false identity of shallow people, the other is the financial state of a smart person who knows how to sucede.

What if you are a poor person and win the lottery? Do you burn your own house down?

Or what if you work hard and do things correctly and make it big. Then what? Do you have to turn in your rights to be a human being like everyone else?

It is not rich VS poor that is the problem. That sort of mentality is exactly what I am talking about.

check that at the door man.

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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thing is PAL, I am both a Spaniard AND an American.

In the interconnected and global world we live in that is a reality for MILLIONS of people.

Or is that too much for your brain to handle. A European American, or an American European?

How about I am both but respect everyone as long as I am respected. My loyalties are first and foremost to my home country, but my families cultural and ancestral origin has its weight within me as well.

Oh, and I mind my own business. Goes with having a traditional ethos........BUT not in MY HOUSE.

I don’t come here preaching capitalism and talking about how great my home country is. I talk about Spain when I am here. I don’t even mention the US unless some half wit European tries to insult us out of ignorance and hate.

And by the way, I am out of here. Europe will descend into chaos because there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians.....

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Anarcho-capitalism is only an oxymoron if you don't know what you're talking about. To the rest of the world its a common and commonly referred to political philosophy.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by cavtrooper7
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Thats funny,a guy from Britain bitching about a "mentality" that the OP,from Spain,who, clearly, emulated in speech and my attitudes as well (Guess where I'm from) at the mention of a gun.....how telling.
Good job OP I knew there was a reason we killed all those commies(Gonna jump me for that one to aren't cha?)
Slodarnost.
I am worried about the world these days.
What I find telling is that with the first mention of a difference of opinion as mentioned in the OP an American says, "Keep Your Gun Handy".... The OP seemed to handle himself quite well, him being brave and not hiding behind the barrel of a gun like a coward.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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reply to post by zedVSzardoz
 

If I had some bussines, I would have to think about, realy




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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I dont understand.

?

Is there another language you can speak in? I think that is the issue.

Just type in your native language and I will translate it into mine.

шта си управо рекао? Нисам разумео.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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That is why education is linked directly to social climbing. The better education you have the more you are paid and the more free time you have for your own projects. This is why the middle class is extremely important, they remember the pains of the common worker and aspire to something better than what they have.

The common worker rarely has time to such type of considerations. On the other hand the elite not only has the time to plan and gather knowledge it can pay for it to be done for them, it has simpler aspirations that is keep their status and that means keeping the rest down. In a system of finite resources there is only a few places to enjoy over abundance, one secures the position and eliminates the competition, the more one has the more secure it will be.

Because of this system, there are very few occasions that the lower part of society manages to shift things, they have more things to worry about and the rest of the time like children any thing serves to distract, divide and control (sports and religion for instance, that was nailed down by the Romans).



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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The irony with those that bash the "Evils of Communism" is they would not be successful were it not for Cheap China Commie Labor, nor would they be successful without the oil from freedom hating tyrannies that subjugate their people.

I find those that praise our current form of "capitalism" a bunch of Hippocrates as well as morally and ethically bankrupt.



Originally posted by polarwarrior
I think its about time the people stood up to protest and riot against the corrupt elite that are ruining their country just as they are ruining the US and other western nations. We should follow their lead




Even though protesters form a heterogeneous and ambiguous group, they share a strong rejection of unemployment, welfare cuts, Spanish politicians, the current two-party system in Spain between the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party and the People's Party, as well as the current political system, capitalism, banks and bankers,[13] political corruption and firmly support what they call basic rights: home, work, culture, health and education.


Against the bankers and political corruption? Lost hope in the two party system? Sounds like what any ATS member would want, but you OP seems to be all for the bankers and corruption, because you're a right wing capitalist. It's no surprise you view things this way, being a business owner and all, you have something in common with the ruling elite, so you tend to support them.




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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I'm sorry if that was not your intention but that state of confusion was my inference from the references to New York and the phrase "no single more corrupt entity in all of existence than the Spanish workers unions besides maybe Wall Street brokers". In any case you did lose me with the general "evil communists" diatribe based in archaic US mentality (You should watch the new Oliver Stones Untold History of the United States a bit leftist himself but the show is well balanced and shows most of the major points that shaped the the US after WW2). Take notice on the part about the US unions.

"The freaking communists" not only attempted to help fight Franco, Hitler and Mussolini on the Spanish Civil war (the prelude to WW2, that the US refused to help, even if many US heroes managed to so) but the USSR ended up wining WW2, not the US as propagandized. The level of effort from the USSR had no comparison)..

That single statement has null value it goes beyond the rest of your slanted generalizations.

You put all unions in the same basket, blame the unions not the legal system or politicians that create the laws that permit any abuses and then compare them with another over generalization (and incorrectly in my view, I can come up with a lot of better targets).

You should be pointing the finger to the US firms and the system those brokers work on, that is the US pro-capitalistic system and again the law and politicians that create them. Heck most of the damage in Europe was created by the US rating agencies the same that still favor the dollar but consistently failed to notice (or were even directly involved) the corruption at home.
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