So I just stood my ground against a mob of communist morons trying to forcibly close me down today.

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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oh yeah. There have been instances of even THESE unions doing good.

BUT, I have seen to much crap to think the good outweighs the bad. But yes, like with anything there are exceptions.




posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Please do some research on unions in Spain, what MANY people think of them here, and see for yourself what I am talking about.

You can do just a little bit of research and confirm EVERYTHING I am saying. Just because you don’t agree with me or even like me doesn’t mean that what I am talking about HAS to be a lie.

It seems you need to get your sights set on the truth of things rather than the truth you wish was true.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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To everyone else, thank you. There are some really uplifting responses here, and they give me allot of strength.

To be honest I am a little scared. The next 2 protests are set for new years eve night, and three kings day, BIG days here.

I will have allot more support and be prepared, but I am still worried. Your kind words give me strength and keep a smile on my face.

You guys rock!

thanks again.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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Interesting.

I am not a fan of any organization.
But I do enjoy being myself and displaying manners and civility when in public.

I find it difficult to sypathize with belligerant mobs.
Pun intended.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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They throw Molotov cocktails and fire explosive rockets at the police.

At the police or government buildings I get. At privately owned stores less. Unless it's a protection racket. Then thats mob oriented, not communist. Are they demanding money from you to leave you alone?


The communist groups and official parties are always involved. Union leadership are card carrying, it is an unofficial requirement to get into the union leadership.

"Communists" from where? Russia? The USSR is dissolved. If "official" and claiming to be communist, then that sounds like deception to me. Sounds like corporate government facisim. Surely socialist and calling themselves "communist" to deceive? Maybe they want to drive out small business in order to monopolize it.

I don't know what you experience there, just sounds like that to me.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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The truth is that we are in political crises globally.

Right now, you me everyone.

For me, I wrestle with the tempests of political controversy in order to calm the storm out the front door.

We must seek clever new strategies in order to defuse this powder keg of civil unrest.

The real answers are freedom and Respect for everyone elses freedom and their property.
By treating each other with basic common decency the vast plethora of our societal problems would begin resolution.

The protesters had forgotten how to bring a community together in solidarity. If the are a loud mob no one will want them around. But had they gifted their community with service and friendship they would have achieved their goals much more quickly.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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I completely agree. I am actually a disappointed they don’t do some leg work and TALK to people before they demand things of us.

Instead of screaming and yelling at their opposition, they need to open dialogue and be representative of our ACTUAL wants and ideas.

I agree also that this whole world is sitting on a powder keg of social unrest and civil discord.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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no the violence is usually aimed at the law enforcement when they try to break things up. BUT it has spilled over to people who simply did not support their reasons for a strike and tried to continue with their daily lives....


communists from Spain. If you didn’t know there has been a Deeply seeded communist party here since before the civil war. There are some HARD CORE, generational communists here in Spain, as well as anarchists. Read up on the Spanish civil war and see how communists from all over the world came here to 1 fight fascism and 2 try and establish a communist state.

Many american communists came here as well for that reason.

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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communists form Spain. If you didn’t know there has been a Deeply seeded communist party here since before the civil war. There are some HARD CORE communists here in Spain, as well as anarchists.

Okay, thanks for clarifying that for me. I got a better picture now.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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Communism and Fascism are merely the left and right wings of totalitarianism.
They are both brutish, violent, and always fail their citizens.

The opposite axis is Freedom and Liberty, far more prosperous, charitable, and peaceful.

America today is leaning into tyranny with a bit of communism and fascism mixed.
I dont really care what parties boot stomps my head, they all hurt equally.

No political cause is worth offensively harming others liberty, as arbitrary violence facilitates despotism, squalor, and turmoil.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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You mix several issues in your OP. First you make references to Spanish reality mixed with the reality of the US, things are not the same and the culture is completely different especially the history, but down to society and political spectrum, they are just not comparable, so half of the OP is an incomprehensible haze for those that know a bit about the realities you are talking about.

Now, you call them communists, I think you are probably wrong. In Spain you have a general socialist system with tendencies to corruption but not as capitalistic (or corporatist) as the US.

You are also a capitalist, you are the boss of your own business, to a point socialism or communism has less interest to you, unless you have aspirations to advance social equality, or at least social equity (as in Justice, impartiality or fairness). As a business owner you are above the average in the Spanish social scale (especially considering the number of unemployed today).

Considering that coercion and intimidation is easier that conversion or dialog and that probably only a few members of the mob understand the ideology (that as I said probably isn't communism as you are attempting to pass it, but leftists never the less).. There aren't really unions linked to right aligned parties. In any case the tactics are shared across the political spectrum, even the use of the police by the state is about coercion and intimidation, more than order. MOBs in general are hard to control most unions have extensive plans and include minders to avoid infiltration by other forces, like the right wing apologists, police force agitators or the extreme left anarchist that can easily create havoc in an orderly manifestation.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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they get to my little cafe and this smelly man beast of a woman tries to force her way inside to scare my customers off.


Beautiful! Beautiful sentence. Hilarious.

Anyway. Communists!? Really? Are you still living in 1936 or something? The Spanish Civil War is over my friend. And Franco won. Thus no need to worry my little capitalist friend.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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I completely agree. I am actually a disappointed they don’t do some leg work and TALK to people before they demand things of us.

Instead of screaming and yelling at their opposition, they need to open dialogue and be representative of our ACTUAL wants and ideas.

I agree also that this whole world is sitting on a powder keg of social unrest and civil discord.


They ought to take their community seriously and offer to clean up the walkways, feed and shelter homeless etc.

How can they improve their lot by bringing everyone including themselves down.
Might is not right it is wrong. Virtue and spirit are what we all need so desparately.

Virtue and spirit is free and comes from within, but that seems so impossible for half our species.
I will always be here to remind until my days are up.

Let us try to convince our countrymen of all stripes to embrace their humanity a little more, and become savages a little less.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:36 AM
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If someone doesnt understand an ideology, but yet joins that groups organization, I am afraid they are an embarassment to the movement as the ignorant are quick to resort to violence and intimidation.

I am in strong opposition to anyone claiming an ideology without actually having one.
They need to just go sit down and read random stuff for a few years or go visit communities and get charity work or something like that going.

You know something educational and character building.

Warlords and tyrants always prey upon the simple minded. Leeching, cannon fodder, etc



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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what in god’s name did I mention of the US?

I know how to do as the Romans and this aint Kansas. I understand that.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:45 AM
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do you have any idea about European politics or Spanish politics?

It is not dead, and is actually trying to get an official rise to power. Ever since the signing of the constitution after Franco died, in Spain it became an official party here again.

If you look to any protest you can clearly see their banners held high.

Why would that be an issue of the past?

Do you not know 1 communist? I do, I have 1 communist friend, well, person I grew up with whom I would talk to like a friend. I am not a scared little capitalist. I probably have many nice customers who happen to be communist I am sure.....it is the extremist of any group that are the problem. In this case the Marxists communists in social leadership.

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Yeah, lol, she was stronger looking than me. Scary stuff.....lol

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Calling them commies is too nice. Worm droppings is more appropriate. You can't blame the union criminals for being uptight. Their racket, extorting money from business, government, and their members, is coming to an end.

I salute you!



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:07 AM
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They sound like idiotic anarchists who think they should be able to do ketamine all day and then get the world handed to them. Too many squats popping up round here filled with delusional know it alls. Talking about changing the world then doing # all apart from lowering the standards. Of course this must make me a tory boy or something, yet I have no political affiliation...the black and white mentalities of true morons. Fight the Power OP you evidently have a greater wit than they do...oh and if you dont have it already, get insurance.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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www.quickmeme.com...

This is the first thing that came to mind.

You don't know that someone is a communist just because they tried to close your business by force, they can be far-left or far-right.

They were just protesters that were dumb in my opinion if they have something with the state, leave the freaking business owners alone, they have no fault in whats happening at this time in the world.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Holy #, this is classic, by-the-book anti-union neo-fascist PROPAGANDA.

You right-wing sh**-heads aren't even trying to hide it anymore are you? Just reading a script from the McCarthyist playbook in as many places as possible, trying to associate unions with every terrible thing in the world.

Why are you so goddamn scared of the workers having power?





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