New kind of magnetism discovered: 'quantum spin liquid'

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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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I will buy some of them as soon as they on the market...




posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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It doesn't say that atoms are actually aligned the same way, they just flip individually and randomly, for your suggestion to work they would all need to be persuaded to align and flip in the same direction for the coils to induce an electric effect, right?



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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I'm a little exasperated at how this proves how little we know. We're still discovering the universe, and everyone thinks we already have all the answers. Better yet, the people who AREN'T paid to be right think we have all the answers. I guess it's pretty easy to say that sort of thing when the world doesn't call you out on it.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
New kind of magnetism discovered: Experiments demonstrate 'quantum spin liquid'
(phys.org)


Following up on earlier theoretical predictions, MIT researchers have now demonstrated experimentally the existence of a fundamentally new kind of magnetic behavior, adding to the two previously known states of magnetism.

"We're showing that there is a third fundamental state for magnetism," says MIT professor of physics Young Lee. The experimental work showing the existence of this new state, called a quantum spin liquid (QSL), is reported this week in the journal Nature, with Lee as the senior author and Tianheng Han, who earned his PhD in physics at MIT earlier this year, as lead author.

The QSL is a solid crystal, but its magnetic state is described as liquid: Unlike the other two kinds of magnetism, the magnetic orientations of the individual particles within it fluctuate constantly, resembling the constant motion of molecules within a true liquid.



There's a second article on this topic at Phys.org as well;

For newly discovered 'quantum spin liquid', the beauty is in its simplicity


(Phys.org)—A research team including scientists from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has confirmed long-standing suspicions among physicists that electrons in a crystalline structure called a kagome (kah-go-may) lattice can form a "spin liquid," a novel quantum state of matter in which the electrons' magnetic orientation remains in a constant state of change.


See also:
MIT discovers a new state of matter, a new kind of magnetism
(extremetech.com)

New Kind of Magnetism Discovered: Experiments Demonstrate ‘quantum Spin Liquid'
(sciencedaily.com)

These 'strong interactions (between electrons of this newly created crystal matter) allow for long-range quantum entanglement' (according to Lee), which is where two electrons (an entangled pair) will vibrate in concert even when separated across large distances - as I read it, particles on one side of the crystal affected the magnetic moment of particles on the other side instantaneously, and always in a state of flux. Always a bit interesting when a 'new fundamental state' of anything is discovered, even if it's largely academic.


I found this on my FB wall yesterday and was fascinated. I subscribe to numerous science sites and this came from one of those. I also star and flagged you because it wasn't doom porn, it had nothing to do with politicians, and best of all it dealt with one of my favorite things, science. I find this scientific find remarkably fascinating and I can't wait to see what things can be done with it.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
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Good catch, like that link better than the topic itself, lol - at least it's more practical to me. Something like that would be extremely useful not only for survival/prepper reasons but just to cut the umbilical cord to utilities. I have a few hand-cranked flashlights/radios but something that can go for a half-hour with minimal fuss is gold to me.


I have a couple of hand crankers as well. It has a cell phone adapter in it as well so you can charge your cell phone in the hand crank flash light. I love that part. For me, that was the selling point.




posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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At the risk of being accused of jumping on the band wagon I want to share something from my youth. When I was around 14-15 I had a dream in which I discovered a way to make a car that operated on an anti-gravity propulsion system that utilized a magnet engine. However, I wasn't going to be able to make it until a new form of magnetism was discovered. I read about magnetism and played with them for a couple years until girls became more interesting. I would be thrilled if this was the breakthrough that brings it about. So all you scientists out there get busy. This car is on my bucket list!



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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I don't think this is going to be that great of a discovery. First of all, if it was a great discovery, they would have told everyone how powerful their new magnet is; this they didn't do. But... I do like to hear about scientific discoveries no matter how small or insignificant they may be, so S&F.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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Just finished reading through "Decoding Reality; The Universe As Quantum Information" by V. Vedral. It was a decent "street-smart" read and this little article you've posted really gets the mental juices flowing. Nice find S&F

Daniel



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
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It definitely has uses right out of 'Star Trek', but no doubt it's much too premature for that sort of speculation.

I'm still fascinated by what they claim is happening here - in my layperson's view, it's a solid piece of matter (the crystal) yet the magnetic properties are as if it were a liquid, like say a liquid metal, and changes within this magnetic field can be instantaneous between separate parts. Dunno what the implications of all that are, but sounds cool...
Ummm.....maybe it's just considered solid because it's liquid state is in slow suspension viscosity....like glass...it is a crystal after all.

YouSir



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I'm a little exasperated at how this proves how little we know. We're still discovering the universe, and everyone thinks we already have all the answers. Better yet, the people who AREN'T paid to be right think we have all the answers. I guess it's pretty easy to say that sort of thing when the world doesn't call you out on it.

Show me one single scientist who says "we already have all the answers".



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by RussianScientists
I don't think this is going to be that great of a discovery. First of all, if it was a great discovery, they would have told everyone how powerful their new magnet is; this they didn't do. But... I do like to hear about scientific discoveries no matter how small or insignificant they may be, so S&F.


Wtf?....oh wait...sarcasm?...what...?
. Umm, ...uhmm..what?


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S&F OP good catch.

So there was a second tye of magnetism as well? Who knew?


These kinds of threads I have a love/hate relationship with. I love them and they fascinate me. I hate them because I can kiss goodbye to two days of life as I read up on it and get suckered into more topics from the sidebars or footnotes of each subsequent link.

This discovery will have widespread and diverse implications, and be used both for good and nefarious reasons.


XL5

posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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Biigs, yeah, I overlooked that part. Though, if some atoms or molecules can flip, I'm betting all of them can be aligned and flipped at the same time, they did say the magic Q word after all.

Aleister, I wouldn't want them to shelf it tooo fast lol.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by XL5
Biigs, yeah, I overlooked that part. Though, if some atoms or molecules can flip, I'm betting all of them can be aligned and flipped at the same time, they did say the magic Q word after all.

Aleister, I wouldn't want them to shelf it tooo fast lol.


But then aren't you getting into expending energy to produce this effect?

Also,

I'm not sure if I'm being dense here but, magnetism operates as a field right? So, if there's all this constant changing does it, or how does it, produce a stable magnetic field?
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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by XL5
If it flips its magnetic poles at random with no power input, you have free energy. You would just put a transformer core around it and wind some wires around it and get energy from the coil.

If it flips its poles when a similar piece some distance away is put in an alternating magnetic field, you have energy teleportation. That would solve the battery problem as the battery could be charging all the time.


it's completely random - there is no overall polarity



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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or maybe perhaps a coiled sphere around a very tiny amount, could produce enough electricity for some interesting nano devices....

those boffins in MIT have only just grown this crystal after 10 months and proved their theory, they will use the research that created it, to create some interesting devices, what they could come up with will be very interesting no matter what it is


My moneys on nanobots for now. Cant wait



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Maybe im decyphering this incorrectly but i thought the old school crystal radios worked this way. By picking up vibrations (?) sent out and making voices out of them. When I read this the first thing i thought of was Orson Scott Cards book Enders Game with the Ansible. From my point of view it looks like if you created enough of these and broke them into 2 pieces you could seperate them by vast distances (light years) and by Quantam magic what one does the other does also. So instant commuication with no time lag. Sound right to anyone else?



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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quantum entanglement, awesome, I say we send some of these crystals up to the sun and quantum entangled them with a identical crystal here on earth and teleport some energy! someday...



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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sounds right!



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Now that is one of the most interesting things I've seen on ATS in weeks! Excellent find!



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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Maybe i am misunderstanding this concept, but it reminded me of the Vimana's and the research the Nazi's were doing on their ultimate weapon.





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